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Wow, cops do anything these days to taser you. They say it could be used as a weapon. Yeah, a weapon against wrongdoing by the cops.!!!
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Unlike the john Kerry taser incident this tasering was totally unjustified The woman cop should be terminated for excessive force. Not just a slap on the wrist, TERMINATED. He should sue as well.
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Maybe someone will kick her ass while she's off duty. She needs an attitude adjustment.
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Wow if the cameras can be used as weapons then maybe we should disable all cameras worldwide!! This is some governmentally ill BS!! it's good that they have tasers and not actual guns, but tasers can do damage to people with heart problems...
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Listen, seriously. With all that's going on in this world (where people can hide bombs and weapons -- you know ... that little thing called TERRORISM!!!!), why fight with the cops. They're already on edge, with their lives in danger on a daily basis. Resisting something as simple as putting down a camera is just ridiculous! I mean, Cop A tells Person B to stop doing something, Person B stops and doesn't get tasered. It's simple. Forget your RIGHTS for a second. I mean, people are so adiment about how we have these rights in this country and don't want to respect the law (or the military for that matter) that helps us do that. Get over yourselves. At least they didn't shoot you. The taser is a much better alternative.
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So Film, you are saying that we shouldn't question the government when they are doing something wrong? The problem isn't with 'resisting' the will of the cops it is that the cops told the guy to put away the camera in the first place. If it is okay for the government to put camera's on all of the street corners in the world to catch people why can't we put camera's on them.
After all...what do they have to hide. Also to Zena...that women is a peace officer of this country. If she did something wrong then she should be punished as per the law of her city, but to wish her to be harmed off duty is one of the sickest things I have ever heard of in my life.
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Wow. I can't tell if FilmLUVER383 is trying to be funny or not. "Forget your RIGHTS for a second." ???!!! Our RIGHTS (which you appear to hold in the same esteem as a pack of Skittles) were won for us with the blood of soldiers beginning with the Revolutionary War. Choosing to ignore your RIGHTS because it shows the police in a "bad light" is choosing to ignore everything they fought for. You can give up your rights - I'll keep mine. Good cops can keep theirs too.
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Portland cops do way worse than this. They are a notorious bunch. Spend a few minutes googling it. This is kid stuff.
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jhil has it right, as Jefferson said "The tree of Liberty must, from time to time, be watered with the blood of Patriots" The police have no right to order someone to obey a command given on a whim. Some states have laws making it LEGAL to use deadly force against law enforcement officers making an illegal arrest or using unneccesary force.(Just make sure you are right, and willing to face the consequences)
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The cop was totally wrong in this situation. The man had a right to video tape his neighbor. It seems as though the cops didn't want to be caught doing something outside their rights. This cop was out of line and completely bullied. This is the sort of thing you expect to see in China or Burma, but it's not what one would expect to find in a free country.
It's probably time to take the tasers away from the cops. Perhaps it's time we start hiring better cops as well. People who don't know right from wrong and have any good or common sense shouldn't be allowed to carry guns or be part of our police force.
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I believe the cops are justified in telling the neighbor to come down to establish his identity. If he did not comply, the cops may believe he had something to hide.
If the cop's excuse was "he might use the camera as a weapon," that's just plain stupid. There were 4-5 cops on that property, so one video camera was not a threat as a weapon.
I did not hear any warning by the police that they about to use force by tazer. The subject appeared to be shooting the video from high up, maybe on top of a structure. There was significant risk to the subject from falling from a height and not being able to break his own fall due to paralyzed motor function.
I wish I knew the context of the search they were conducting...were they searching for an armed felon who had just killed someone or something equally serious? That could go a long way in explaining why the cops were so aggressive. All we have here is a video/sound byte... but it looks pretty damning for the cops. The cops have a duty to warn when they are about to use force that can cause harm!!
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Fistlover383 - you are a pussy. People like you lose Americans the rights their ancestors earned with their blood by standing up against tyranny and earning their freedom. Wake up and see that your 'free' country is dying thanks to cowards like you.
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This guy should have been tasered. When a police officer gives you a direct order, it is not a request. If you feel that it is unlawful, the place to dispute it is in court, not whne they are standing in front of you with a gun or taser.
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I am usually FOR the use of tazers when people don't listen to cops, but this is the most disgraceful use of force I have seen in a while! Of course, without ALL of the video, you never know what really happened! This is the same kind of "Selective" view that was used for Rodney King to make people irate! (Although, for the record, I believe they went overboard with that idiot too!)
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The Chinese and Burmese are setting a great example for the Western world to follow. And we certainly are following it in lock-step if you please!!!
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Let me take the weapon metaphor a bit further. "The pen is mightier than the sword" was an adage in a early 19th century play, ever since being co-opted by American Democracy. But is it? Can the pen holder be guilty of anything but expressing his or her constitutional right of expression of free speech? Is the police officer really afraid of the camera as a 2lb chunck of plastic to be hurled at the officers, or as a career ender because of its ability to record police brutality, warrant less searches and illegal police activity? Any police, military personnel and government official who doesn't see the small handheld camera as a weapon of democracy is a fool, and until they dismantle the constitution (yes, they are trying) the pen/mic/camera IS mightier than the sword. It will be a great day in America when there are more DV cameras then there are guns.
As far as tasers go, yes the police have a very difficult job, but with all the deaths we have seen with taser brutality in the last 3 months, shouldn't we seriously examine this? How many times does taser brutality happen when there is no cameras or witnesses? Ahhh, the inevitable quote: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
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The Sow was WAY out of line on this one.
All must bow to Mighty Minerva, especially on overcast days when she's feeling "Icky" and you're one of "those bad men" that resists her totalitarian storm trooper bullshit.. I hope a police dog leaves a tooth signature on her ass.
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The man was within his rights to videotape. Too many people with a god complex become police officers solely to rule over people. The woman cop, the police dept. and the city should be sued until bankrupt. The only thing worse than what the police did are the idiots here saying they were justified. This is NOT America when this can occur!
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filmluver is a part of what is so wrong with this country, especially in the last eight years.
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You bunch of idiots think you can make sound judement calls on twenty seconds of film, you have no clue what that person filming was doing prior to his ass getting Taserd. You all can go straight to hell, till you spend one shift on the streets with your life on the line, putting up with "I knows my rights" and all the "junior lawyers" out there. You all just wait till some time when your getting your ass kicked or robbed, then who are you going to want at your side, the man with the camera or the cops!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leave this shit to the big boys, all the rest stay on the porch!!!!!!!!
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A society that puts security before freedom will get neither.
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spfldil Posted on Nov 21 '07 at 8:57 AM
"I believe the cops are justified in telling the neighbor to come down to establish his identity. If he did not comply, the cops may believe he had something to hide."
Excuse me, but he is not required by law to identify himself to police unless he is being arrested.
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