Deadliest Warrior The Aftermath - Spartan vs. Ninja

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  1. DeadliestWarriorJUDGMENT Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 9:27 PM

  Pathetic, if your gonna say the show is called "Deadliest Warrior not Deadliest Assasin", then why would you even bother to put the agile and quick fighters like the apache? Why don't you just have gladiators vs. vikings, tanks vs. bombers. celtics vs. knights and called it "Heaviest or Strongest Warrior" deadly can be anything! Like Miyamoto made a deadly paddle to kill.

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  2. Roma7 Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 10:12 PM

  Pathetic indeed, good points with 1 exception. The Celts are the most overated sissies in western history. Without huge numerical superiority & surprise they never won many battles or wars. Ex: Brian Boru in Ireland hired Vikings who had overun much of the country to beat the new Viking invaders. The not so fighting Irish never could have won on their own.
  
  
  
  Archaeology has verified that JC was not exaggerating in his Gallic wars. Recent shows on History International & National Geographic have verified that these guys were just as brutal{human sacrifice mainly of prisoners & women} & blood thirsty as their more bashed ROMAN CONQUERORS.

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  3. Hrogoff Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 10:14 PM

  I'm pretty satisfied with what they said. I'm glad we know a little more about the whole simulator and what it takes into account, and why they pick the battlefields they did.
  
  
  
  I was really hoping they would adress the fans comments between the Viking and Samurai episode.

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  4. psycho7384 Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 10:23 PM

  I agree with PacoPaoc. I wanna see move evenly based match ups. Spartan vs Knight. Gladiator vs Viking. Apache vs Ninja. And also how about a championship and the end of the season.

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  5. Spartan146 Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 10:23 PM

  OMFG stop bitching ninja loving fucks , spartan won hands down

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  6. Bogus41 Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 10:36 PM

  This is a great show. Great work guys! Its good to see the users get a voice.

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  7. mdkpacman Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 11:09 PM

  The only thing I want to see in the future is even match ups of the people testing the weapons to be accurate the size of the warrior back in the day. Like for the viking it would be a 6 ish foot norweagian with lots of muscles cause all the vikings did when they wasn't fighting each other or raiding overseas was chop wood, hunt, and make boats. All of which breed massive muscular strength. As the samurai would have proper technique and probably be pretty fast but he would have no where the strength of the viking considering it should of been the guy that shot the bow doing the blunt force tests of the big club, not the behemoth of an Asian that did it. Even in the Glad vs apache episode that apache Indian was pretty big for the size of an apache when the apache guy was using the club it should of been the average size of an apache not that over sized Indian. In the Spartan vs Ninja episode the older guy shouldn't of been testing any weapons considering the ninjas would of been more like the martial arts expert, the younger guy should of tested all the weapons especially the cutting of the ninjato.
  One other thought I want to see Spartan vs Viking. Thats shield wall against Shield wall. I droll of seeing an episode like that.

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  8. MewtwoX13 Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 11:14 PM

  U should do the athens vs Greeks

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  9. Andor_Trask Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 11:34 PM

  It doesn't matter if they fight in the open or in the shadows, they are all warriors. It is just different types of combat. They are testing fights between warriors that would never have met under normal circumstances. People should stop their senseless bitching.

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  10. wachaninja Posted on Apr 25 '09 at 11:38 PM

  There was a lot missed. A video was emailed to spiketv's feed-back mail and posted on the comments page.
  
  Essentially it talked about how the "ninja experts" didn't know what they were talking about (nor did they officially practice ninjutsu) and how the ninja had a much different arsenal.
  
  For instance, the "ninja have no armor" point is completely false, they had armor capable of blocking folded steel blades (like katana). Part of the use of such armor was shown during the episode when the ninja blocked a katana and threw the samurai. On most of the body, this was actually lightweight yet effective padding. Underneath, it would be typical for a ninja to wear chainmail. And on the hands, there would be a steel strip with spikes: This was the particular part used to "catch" a katana strike. I personally believe even the katana blocking padding would nullify the sword, weaken the spear, and dampen the shield's power.
  
  Also, cow trots would inflict great pain, but also throw off balance. It would be impossible to stand flat footed on a spike in part of your foot, rendering a proper guarding position nearly impossible.
  
  Point being, this guy has a world of reasons the ninja could have done so much better, and I've only started the list. Here's part 1 of his video explanation (part 2 has the most weaponry and equipment)

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  11. aznvietdevil Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 12:00 AM

  Spartan146 that was a stupid comment u posted....looking by ur nick ur a spartan fan so don't judge other ninja fans....in my opinion is i sure every1 who think logic agree that spartan are train to be warrior and can take pain but if they can't see and suffering extreme pain how can they fight....another asspect is that if spartan are so great why aren't they still around....if i not mistaken they were wipe out to the last spartan....on the other hand ninja are still around to this day...logically speaking the fight in the simulation isn't 100% accurate due to the fact that ninja don't stand in the opening and fight with no armor watsoever....open to comments

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  12. aznvietdevil Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 12:20 AM

  also a lot of these comment about the ninja vs spartan episode i kept seeing that they are saying spartan are such great warrior and brave etc but how come they are hiding behind a big shield? also in my opinionthe spartan fan in the episode look so stupid acting tough and such

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  13. kaileung Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 12:20 AM

  Here I was thinking they would answer some tough questions but no, I should have known better.
  Should have known they wouldn't that would admitt they rigged the outcomes of the fights or have no clue about factual history, it's one or the other.
  Vikings fighting without their longbows, Apaches using modern throwing knives in the tests rather than bone and stone knives, Gladiators without their bows, Ninjas with no armor.
  
  Well at least we now know Spikes target audience gullible 12-14 year olds, no one with any education or common sense is buying this stuff. Some experts.

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  14. wachaninja Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 12:28 AM

  lol my bad, I forgot to post the video, this is part 1
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfT3NbjZ-JU

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  15. rockman2 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 12:41 AM

  Hi. since you have all the data of samurai and spartan, I would like to see who would win. a "rock to rock " battle. This battle could be epic and I'd like to find out. thanks

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  16. rocketballer Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 1:41 AM

  lol at the guy saying this is in the "realm of science"
  
  Please don't be passing off entertainment with real science.

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  17. game2984 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 2:01 AM

  I agree... I kinda like rock to rock... I'd like to see a naginata have a go at that bronze or a scissor against the viking shield... hopefully it will be up and coming.

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  18. MarkFaust Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:24 AM

  The shield "KILLED" the Ninja 382 times? A Ninja is agile, unlike the testing of this, the Spartan would miss the Ninja easily exposing the Ninja to kill the Spartan. Also, the Ninja did use armor just like the Samauri. Get those South Korean and Chinese imitators out of there and put in some Bushido practicing Japanese Ninjas in there to represent.

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  19. dragon9484 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:33 AM

  I have to say that there is an awful lot of whining going on about well you didn't count this or you didn't do that. The show is for enterainment purposes take it with a grain of salt. It is nearly imposseible to prove who would really win this fight today. Especially since they don't exist today. They pit them in a one on one battle and run 1,000 fights to see who would win. When is the last time you seen warriors go one on one. not that often. This is no where near what would happen if you took 1,000 warriors versus 1,000 warriors. I would have to say that in one on one the ninja is the better man but in 1,000 versus 1,000 the spartan holds my favor. The ninja is fast quick and gone before you knew he was there. I do not beilive that this show is saying that this side would win or that side would I think it is just a way to say what if more of a speculation than a proven fact. So enjoy watch and be entertained.

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  20. MarkFaust Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:40 AM

  The show is biased anyway. The symbol for the Dealiest Warrior is a Spartan....

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  21. lostagent Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 4:50 AM

  Factor in one element....FATIGUE. The bigger the weapons and armor, the heavier and more cumbersome they are.

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  22. Sparninkingrai Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 6:08 AM

  Ninjas usually fight at night time so they blend in and are almost invisible. Was that a factor in the simulation?

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  23. insanity401 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 6:28 AM

  i congradualate the spartan. he should have won. spartans were born warriors ninjas main theme is to run and hide like pansies. they dont fight in battle they assassinate

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  24. Spycat Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 8:34 AM

  Why did you have the Spartan expert "Captain Picard on, but not the Ninja experts?

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  25. xbam67 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 9:31 AM

  the spartan would of won either way,the spartan has fought since he was 8 years old.the ninja would have fought since they were old enough to farm,and also it all depends on the enviroment.and spartans would never of fought at night and just like the apache and gladiator,the gladiotar would of kicked the apache ass if they were in a arena.there would be no where to run but since the ninja runs and hides,the same thing to a spartan, the sheild is a very deadly weapon the sheild is big and it could block all the black eggs and blow guns.

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  26. OddViewpoint Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 10:19 AM

  First off Kudos Max, I appreciate hearing more about how the simulator works, I would love to to see a special page on the site where you explain the various factors that are taken into acount.
  
  
  
  Second, alot of people are rather upset about the lack of expertise being used on the show, how come that was not addressed.
  
  
  
  Third, having seen the shield damage and better tactics with the shield what is the chance that there will be a Viking vs. Samurai Aftermath special in the making.

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  27. AncientWarrior Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 12:23 PM

  Spartan hides behind his shield??? Apparently you don't know a weapon when you see it! I agree with those that say they should pair the matches better, however, thats not what this show is about. Its simply taking two foes and pitting them against each other head to head. Yes one can argue all of the ninjas gadgets and weapons and I have to agree he is a very good killer. However, he is primarely an Assassin. A spartan is a Heavy Infantry foot soldier. If you study your history albeit...you will find that a Spartan is also trained in stealth and evasion. As boys, when they first thrust into the AGOGE, spartan boys are beaten and forced to fight (Yes They have a very very very high pain tolerance!) they were also taught to steal and evade, forcing them to learn to survive and be cunning and react! They would be punished if they were caught.
  So I think that not all the Spartan's skills and training have been focused on. I see that there is a time limit they have to squeeze the show into. All in all I think they did a good job. Well done Max!

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  28. MarkFaust Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 12:24 PM

  Barry Jacobson is the shows Historical Advisor....HE WORKS FOR THE SHOW and he represented the Spartan. So much for being balanced. The shows "mascot" between the words Deadliest and Warrior is a Spartan for cryin' out loud. For the guy that said Ninja's run and hide like pansies, that's EXACTLY how this lop-sided show depicted it. You know very little about Ninjutsu as did the fakes they brought in to represent the Ninja. The Ninja DID wear armor. Ninjato is pronounced Neen-Juh-Toe, not Nin-Jue-Toe. The Ninjato never historically existed in Feudal Japan, it was created closer to modern day. I thought this show was based on "scienticfic FACTS?" Complete sham.

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  29. larybober Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 1:11 PM

  The Spartan totally had the victory in this episode. Like what was said in the aftermath this is deadliest warrior not deadliest assassin. Are they going to take the winners from each episode and pit them off, or is it just goign to be two different combatents. they should also start mixing up the fighters too. Not for every episode but for at least some, because its always the heavily armoured and built guy against the fast and crafty fighter. And honestly they should mix it up. But set aside from that this show is amazing so keep up the good work.

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  30. overdrive194 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 1:11 PM

  what they should have done, is every odd numbered battle is in 1 warriors terrain, every even is the other, then the ninja would have a fair chance, as would the viking, and the gladiator, i mean, if the apache vs gladiator in the coliseum, gladiator every time, so thats what i think they should have done, oh, and spartan won hands down, ninja, all they do is run and shoot, i dont consider them " warrior" at all.

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  31. DaileyViking Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 1:24 PM

  i agree with the one comment they make the whole spartan vs. ninja is like heavy weight vs. feather weight

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  32. paganil Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 1:26 PM

  This is in regards tot he Samurai vs Viking. My only problem is this battle simulation does't seem to take tactics into account very well. As someone who has fought using norse weapons and armor, this is not how a norseman would have fought. He would have held on to his shield unless he was using a 2 handed weapon. The spear is alo not just a throwing weapon. It was also a very effective mele weapon used to keep an enemy at a distance...used very similarly to a an oriental bo-staff if it had a spear point. I think the 2 wouldhave probably been more of an even match. I don;t thinkt he Samurai would have so easily have slahed the norseman's leg. THe katana would not have penetrated the chain and wouldn't have caused the effect it had. It just didn't have the weight to do that. It was a slashing weapon that had little effectiveness as a bashing weapon. Whain mail distributes the force of a blow very effectively. That final blow just wouldn't have happened.
  
  
  
  The armor of a samurai was not designed to combat agaisnt blows that norse weapons dealt. They were designed to combat samurai and other oriental weaponry, which were more precision weapons rather than mass damage (witht he exception of the club they demo'd) On that, I would argue that bones would not be broken when they hit the shield as the shield also deflects the blow by not allowing it to make a solid hit..the shield pivots onthe arm...which causes the blow to deflect rather than be a solid, bone crushing bow. Very impressive weapon nonetheless. THe great axe and the longsword would have cleaved right through the lamelate (sp?) armor of the samurai. While the katana is much sharper, the force behind the longsword more than makes up for it.
  
  
  
  They both have thier strengths and weaknesses agaisnt each other. I think it would have been a draw.

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  33. scottbaioisdead Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 1:36 PM

  the show is debunked here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfT3NbjZ-JU&feature=channel_page the ninja experts were frauds

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  34. justforcomments93 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 1:46 PM

  those were not real ninja experts i could tell just by looking at the show

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  35. TheGreatestAssassin Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 1:55 PM

  This WHOLE show is pathetic. They dont even match anything up right. Why not Navajo and ninja? Theyre both nearly unarmored and rely on speed and the same tactics. Samurai and Knight? Both highly trained and designed for battle. Gladiator and Spartan? There's way closer matchups that would end in closer numbers than the BS that they are. Plus the "experts" are bias cocky and annoying as hell!!!

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  36. Whooptie31 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 2:00 PM

  Very interesting show. I do think that the average size and strength of the warriors should be better incorporated though. Like the previous poster mentioned, vikings were much larger and stronger, which in turn was represented well. The samurai were much smaller individuals, which was unfairly represented by the very muscualar 200lb + individual doing the samurai testing.

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  37. DiamondBack22 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 2:09 PM

  I dont know why it is that people take this personally. The simulations put this on a level playing field and they test it. I hope that in the beggining they take all data of all the diffrent Warriors and then seed them in a play off type. But understand one thing to all. Your favorite choice is not always going to win. for example i thought Ninja would win well if it was fought on a cowards way of sneak in attack kill and run then yes the ninja would win but head to head no......... sorry to hurt anyones feelings but, truth hurts.

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  38. tylerferguson Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 2:17 PM

  The ninja would not have been seen and there is no level playing field the ninja's did not care about fair fighting they struck when the enemy was least expecting it. As for the comment ninja fans are spending to much time in the realm of myths, the ninjas were just granted mythical powers because they were stealthy, killed all witnesses, and were also trained from a young age to kill ruthlessly. There is no chance the spartans could win since they would not have seen the ninjas, but would have just died from the blowdart to their neck in their sleep. These test were inconclusive and these brutes or "spartans" would have been killed in a real battle since ninjas were trained in fighting and withstanding pain as well as making strategic moves against their enemy as if they were playing chess and nothing more.

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  39. SHUGENDO Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 2:21 PM

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RQ9B4_jIus
  
  
  
  Watch this vid it will answer all your questions! LOL

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  40. SHUGENDO Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 2:24 PM

  By the way scottabaioisdead is the biggest Ninja wanabe in America. He thinks the Ninja were the coolest Warriors no matter what you tell him. He really is not a good source of information, he just wants to try and debunk everything on the internet.

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  41. QuackTheDuck Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 2:31 PM

  While a lot of folks might be upset about the results of the fight, I think these guys did a solid job depicting a reasonable simulation of the fight.
  
  Yes, a ninja would lose to a spartan toe to toe, but when you consider the role of the ninja, you have to admit that he put up an excellent fight. Ninjas weren't meant to fight directly like that, so it just shows the flexibility that ninjas have. They're effective assassins, and when forced to, they can put up a fight against the greatest warriors in history.
  
  Good job, can't wait to see the next episode.

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  42. Ratatosk Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 2:34 PM

  such a shame.......... Ninja's Vs. Spartans this week and Pirates Vs. Knights next week.....
  
  
  
  Should have been Spartans Vs. Knights and Pirates Vs. Ninja's nothing to do with previous comments about heavy armor and light armor, but simply that the Pirate/Ninja conflict is well known to a large percent of the online community and would boost the number of people watching that episode by a large amount.

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  43. Kokuryu169 Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 2:35 PM

  Just a suggestion, but in the future find some real Experts.
  
  Seriously, some of these "Weapon" Experts that they keep bringing in are an insult to warrior classes they are parodying.
  
  Also the fact that they had to use their "Historical Adviser", who has an unfair influence on the show compared to the other experts and an obvious biased point of view to represent Spartans shows the lack of respect they have for these warrior cultures.
  
  Let's limit the ninja's weapons.
  Then let's let a couple guys we hired to act like they know something pick a few flashy weapons they recognize from all those cheap hollywood ninja movies people watch.
  Then we'll deny the ninja armor and make it so the ninja has to aim for the spartan's armor when it attacks.
  Lastly we'll make it so that the ninja has to always fight head to head and no even think about circling or flanking their target.
  
  Oh and even though it was well known that a spartan could use another spartan's shield against them in order to circle around to their blind spot (yes the Corinthian helmet and a 1 Meter wide shield create a HUGE blind spot) and hit an unarmored location, that train of thought would never occur to a ninja who was trained to fight against Armored warriors.
  
  Oh and a shield, even one that weighs 20 lbs and is a meter across, getting 300+ kills?
  
  We All know its rigged. Your "Science" is flawed. The personal opinions of the staff are influencing the outcome of battles.
  
  Sure you're running 1000 fight simulations, but 1000 fights with incomplete and inaccurate data just adds up to 1000 piles of crap.

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  44. hitmanninja Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:03 PM

  they have no idea that ninjas have armor they used chain mill under and small steel plates under their clothes it only covered the torso, so the "small knife" that spartan has is useless against the ninja and they forgot the Kunai which is a trowing knife very very thick made of steel or iron and it has a sharp pointy end and its pyramid shape and if you check you stupid "experts" all ninjas have kunai because it was a planting tool and all farmers had this and if they tested the kunai it would have passed through the spartan armor

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  45. darrough Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:18 PM

  People need to stop complaining this show is meant to be entertainment not what would actually happen.

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  46. hitmanninja Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:19 PM

  i am a real ninja historian "we're in the realm of science now" so you forgot the kunai so your in the realm of bullshit now the kunai is perfect against armor it heavy thick and sharp and it's a trowing weapon i bet it would pass through armor

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  47. camarilloek Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:23 PM

  man a navy seals are the toughest now days and would kill all these warriors

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  48. hitmanninja Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:27 PM

  check here to see real ninja armor oops they forgot
  http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.daimyo-lords-of-japan.com/NewFiles/ninja_yoroi_armor_3_9.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daimyo-lords-of-japan.com/NewFiles/index.html&h=960&w=1280&sz=181&tbnid=f_btWhktLqWkJM::&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dninja%2Barmor&hl=en&usg=__B28JC2GzMdG109A5pE6_QI874ig=&ei=X9_0SaaDDtjhsAbkxs2JAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=3&ct=image

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  49. hitmanninja Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:35 PM

  just google "kunai" on google images and ninja armor and you'll see i am right

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  50. Flamingus Posted on Apr 26 '09 at 3:36 PM

  It's great to see that the show's developers and cast are taking time to read these responses and actually make a video like this about it. You've gotten a lot of respect from me for actually taking the comments into account and making a video that answers some of the queries.

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