CineMassacre CineMassacre: Bat-A-Thon (Part 3)

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  1. M60Berserker Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 9:00 PM

  Great review(s) as always...
  BTW, i agree with you at most of the Batman Begins complaints...
  I cant wait to see The Dark Knight, though...

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  2. Fadeca Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 9:11 PM

  I think dark knight is by far the best superhero movie ever, it surpasses batman begins in my opinion

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  3. marceloyanez111 Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 9:17 PM

  nice

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  4. justincantrell Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 9:35 PM

  1st comment!!! james can't wait for you to do your next movies. i agree with you totally on your batman movies. keep up the good work.

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  5. Lazypug Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 10:17 PM

  hey i was waiting for this

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  6. Lazypug Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 10:32 PM

  okay after watching the video again. I disagree with your review of batman begins and the dark knight. i think both of those movies were better then batman 89

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  7. doraslayer3 Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 10:41 PM

  Great review James! I still need to see the Dark Knight.

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  8. Maccent Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 10:43 PM

  wow, i've seen a lot of your reviews and they are always on point, including all the Batman movies up to Begins. I'll disagree w/ you there, but I thought you had valid points. I can't take anyone seriously when they say that they prefer Nicholson's performance to Heath Ledger's though. I would never say that Heath Ledger was a better actor than Jack Nicholson, but his Joker portrayal was hands down MUCH better. Oscar worthy even. The film as a whole is one of the best movies I've seen period and in the two sold out shows I've seen, I saw two people TOTAL get up to use the bathroom in a film that was nearly 3 hours long. To say it wasn't completely riveting throughout is humorous to me.

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  9. TheChalko1 Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 11:10 PM

  I totally agree with Maccent on this one dude. How could you not like begins and dark knight better than the original batman? You know what I think it is? Nostalgia. Get over it! Dark Knight is a masterpiece and Begins is also pretty amazing. Heath put on one of the greatest performances of all time and is probably going to be considered one of the best villians in movies of all time in years to come. What is wrong with you?! I love you James, but I seriously don't get you on this review.

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  10. MrCheerio Posted on Jul 20 '08 at 11:22 PM

  Thank you AVGN for being so bold as to voice your true opinion and not just going along with the fan boys. It is unfortunate how many will simply just go along with the crowd.

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  11. champignones Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 12:12 AM

  its a lot of factors i believe for example i say a normal person generrally thinks batman is a kid movie, thats what every adult and mature guys thinks nearby my country , i asked to mature guys who arent so hardcore fan of batman about going to see a batman movie of the 89 or de 90´s and he was laughing and said: are you kidding me? thats a kid movie and a clumsy superheroe, i want something more mature. but now when i tell them something referring dark knight or batman beings they inmediatelly respond and say lets go see it, and i think dark knight and batman begins has put to batman a more serious superheroe and more likeable for adults and non hardcore fans cause the old feeling they have for it is like its a kiddy and clumsy superheroe and if you dont like what i am saying , Its not me who says it, go against million of adults or other non hardcore batman fans who thinks the same think. so for me begins and dark knight were the one who put "respect" to the batman movie franchise i mean even my grandfather loves these two movies.

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  12. whatever Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 12:52 AM

  wow i cant believe you gave the dark knight a 4? James my advice is don't ever quit doing AVGN

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  13. residentboone Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 1:27 AM

  While I respect your opinion I ultimately disagree with a lot of what you said. While I never thought Batman Begins was a perfect movie, I did believe it was the best Batman until Dark Knight hit theaters. You seem to complain about Batman being taken too seriously, but honestly since Frank Miller did "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Batman Year One" we've been taking Batman very seriously. It's about how Batman is a tortured soul who usually very depressed and sleep deprived. Also, you say the the Tumbler is excessive, but honestly how can we expect Batman to outrun and smash through police cars and rode blocks without something that is almost a tank. I think you also misunderstood Ra's Al Ghul. I did too at first. See in the comics Ra's is immortal, but they knew they couldn't get away with that in Batman Begins so they did what the Dread Pirate Robinson did in the Princess Bride. The first Ra's took on an apprentice and trained him to take his place when he died. This continued through the ages. The Ra's we saw at the beginning was Ra's at the time, but when he died Ducard became Ra's. This was their way of making Ra's immortal. Alfred didn't just accept Bruce becoming Batman in Batman Begins. He actually protested his actions quite a bit. It also wouldn't make sense for Batman to have a big confrontation with Scare Crow because that would be about three seconds long. I mean do we really believe that this Scare Crow, a psychiatrist, could take on Batman? It makes more sense for the man that trained him to fight him. And yes, Batman is often describe as talking like that. He is supposed to seem almost insane to his enemies and strike fear. In the comics Robin has even made fun of his Batman voice and questioned it on occasion. Lastly on the Batman Begins; showing how Bruce became Batman was needed as it isn't connected with the other Batman movies. Not only that but we never really saw how he got to being Batman before. Concerning the Dark Knight. I did think the

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  14. residentboone Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 1:33 AM

  sorry for another post, but my first comment was cut off 2/3 of the way through. Here is the rest
  
  Concerning the Dark Knight. I did think the hype was out of control but honestly I thought it was by far the best super hero movie ever made. It was a very deep and actually quite poetic. I think you make the mistake of thinking that comics are all about explosions and fighting, but really that isn't why most comic fans read comics. We read them for the characters and story. The ending was great and brought new meaning to The Dark Knight and what a hero is. Concerning Burton's Batman movies. Honestly, I never cared much for them. I thought they were too goofy and really miscast. Nicholson doesn't look or act like the Joker at all. I mean common do we really want to see the Joker dancing around to Prince and spray painting a art gallery? It's just goofy. The Joker is supposed to be completely insane and a expert on explosives. The only villain that Batman truly hates. He is the same and the opposite of Batman at the same time. Those movies also almost completely ignored Jim Gordon. He and Batman are supposed to have a somewhat shaky alliance.Gordon and Batman lead the way into a possible future of hope for Gotham. Gordon can't really function without Batman and visa versa. Gordon is as much of a hero as Batman. And what is with Michael Keaton being Bruce Wayne? He doesn't look or act the part at all. I mean you're entitled to your opinion just as I am and I respect your opinion and I've been a fan of your work for some time now. The world would be boring if everyone agreed all the time.
  
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  15. worlock93 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 1:45 AM

  Of course it's Nostalgia folks. AVGN is all about nostalgia. If he didn't prefer Keaton's Batman it would be oddly out of place considering all his other likes and dislikes. While me and James are roughly the same age, I grew up reading Batman and Frank Miller was basically god to me as a child. When they cast short emaciated Michael Keaton as Batman I was pretty much disgusted by the idea and never really got over it. Michael Keaton is supposed to be a weapons, gadgets and fighting expert? Batman is a superhero without super powers and whoever puts on the suit has to be someone believable in that respect. Michael Keaton doesn't even look like he can stand upright in the suit. I keep look for the two guys standing behind him holding him upright. I also didn't think Jack Nicholson was all that great, he's just acting like Jack Nicholson wearing Joker makeup (same problem with Jim Carrey in a later installment). I also never cared much for the Tim Burton "Carnival world I ripped off from The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari and other early German expressionist filmmakers" backdrop of the movies. If your going to make a comic with real action than at least attempt to make it feel like it's happening in the real world, or at least a world you could imagine people living in (just my opinion). Also, from what I understand, several other actors were tapped to play Batman with some dropouts shortly before filming. So Burton probably only cast Keaton because he'd just made Beetle Juice and he figured he'd be easy to direct since they already worked together. With that in mind, that probably means Johnny Depp would be Batman if Burton was making the movie right now.

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  16. residentboone Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 1:52 AM

  Worlock,
  
  I strongly agree with you on Keaton's Batman and Nicholson's Joker. Also, I think this is actually more of a James Rolfe review than AVGN. Those Burton movies were really not very much like Batman at all. They shoved key characters into the background. Frank Miller showed us what Batman can be and since then we've really seen the character fleshed out. Batman is supposed to be about his and Jim's WAR on crime. It's not punching out a couple of thugs in a warehouse, but a full mob against cops war. Also, Begins really showed just how corrupt Gotham is. It was wonderful.

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  17. MuggerFugger Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 2:48 AM

  Batman begins is u know kinda well... boring but u know thats cuz of Joker cuz Joker is tha best!

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  18. RATM10 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 3:13 AM

  James, you always are a man of your word, you gave your thoughts and opinions, anyone else be damned. I've always appreciated that. That said, I'd like to give a few of my own. First off, The Dark Knight is probably the best super hero movie ever made, bar none it was amazing. Second, James, you are right, comparing '89 Joker (Nicholson) to '08 Joker (Ledger, R.I.P.) is like comparing anything that's completely different. I will admit, if I absolutely had to choose, I would go with Ledger's performance, which made me laugh and question myself for laughing at the same time. It wasn't over the top, it was near perfection. That said, I will always remember Nicholson's perfomance as genius, and forever one of the best villian portrayals. Also, I kinda agree with you that Batman Begins was overrated, but really, after B&R, the studio and director really needed to say "Hey, remember that movie? Don't, we're starting new!". That's why I think they did another origin movie. In closing, James, your opinions and nitpicks are your own, I commend you for that, you don't pull any punches in exchange for good reviews or ratings of your vids. Keep on making these, and I'll continue to watch them. Oh and you're right about B&R, even compared to BF it's pretty horrendous.

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  19. coolsson Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 4:07 AM

  I agree with your opinion on the first four movies but not with begins and the dark knight. The reason the movie is called batman BEGINS is because it shows how he became batman and why. I know we saw it in batman but begins was supposed to be a reboot and reject the older batman movies and you didn't have to watch the old movies to understand it. Why they used real swords in training and used decoys, if you saw the movie you would understand. If you liked batman more than begins you probably didn't understand the message that begins had. Nicholson better than Ledger? That's strange. The joker is one of the most dangerous villans in batman but Nicholson's potrayal was a joke and Ledgers was more like the Joker should be like. So in conclusion
  Batman 4 joker dollars
  Batman Begins 4 and a half tumblers
  The dark knight 5 pencils in the eye

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  20. Stinger911 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 4:16 AM

  I agree with nearly all of your nitpicks about Batman Begins. Honestly, it's not a *great* movie. It's just "okay." Too much Wayne, not enough Batman, disappointing villains, especially Rhas Al Gul. The NEW movie, however, IS great as it corrects nearly every flaw from Begins. It deserves a true 5 out of 5, but I respect that you're just giving your opinion. I enjoyed the documentary as a whole, keep it up :]

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  21. darkfirelights Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 5:05 AM

  Wow. That was the first time I've ever thought you were a little too harsh to a movie. I fully agree with you on Batman Begins. I thought the movie was really boring. There was way too much back story, that I didn't care to see. Katie Holme's character was forgettable. The Dark Knight was a lot better than Batman Begins. I have a few reasons why this might be. I didn't get into the hype. I didn't want to be dissapointed in the movie. I never watch that much television at all so it wasn't hard for me. I made myself expect it to be mediocre at best, (just so I can be shocked of how good it was later.) The reason why the movie was great is because it didn't focus on the girl. Yeah, there were a few campy scenes about (spoiler ahead) 'the girl' and Bat Man never really had a girlfriend. So I was really glad when she died. It was supposed to happen. And When you think about the concept of batman coming from some ambiguous movie that was made a long time ago, it makes you appreciate the movie. For it was made as some campy movie during the eighties. Nobody seemed to take it seriously. I didn't like Batman begins. I also don't really like Christian Bale as Batman *generally* but in this movie I found that it brought out his character a lot. I don't like him with the whole raspy deep voice, but he did it around Morgan Freeman's character when people weren't around so I was like WTF? Does he just have a different persona when he wears it? Also, I like Jack Nicholson as an actor more than Heath Ledger (when it comes to acting) but I thought that Heath Ledger was a better Joker. He was hilarious without really...trying to be. He's the joker, he's supposed to make us laugh, but he isn't a nice guy. There was no delusion of that. I do think they could have made the ending a little shorter, but it didn't matter. I was surprised about how good the plot was too. Nothing was really simple and everything was explained. I was excited to see Harvey Dent (I didn't watch television so I

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  22. necrite71 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 6:57 AM

  Yeah just stop reviewing movies period, seriously Batman 89 over Batman Begins and The Dark Knight? Don't know why some people here actually respect your opinion. Horrible.

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  23. Thifor Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 8:12 AM

  Hey guess what? I'm one of your fans or should I say, WAS, I can't believe that I had to sign up and type this comment now.
  
  And in case you haven't realized yet, you're obviously not a true Batman fan, so don't ever consider yourself one again. You're simply either a Tim Burton, Jack Nicholson or campy fan, that's what you are.
  
  You're been getting really cocky lately judging by some of your latest AVGN videos. Just because you're popular now doesn't mean your opinions are flawless
  
  You may be right about everything when it comes to SH!TTY games but you clearly also have SH!TTY taste when it comes to movies. Do us a favor, just stick to AVGN only

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  24. Bogus41 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 8:13 AM

  Great stuff. I love it. !!

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  25. Pslyy Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 8:27 AM

  I'm sorry but what the hell is wrong with you guys? He said that The Dark Knight was great. And now that he doesn't agree 100% with you guys you start a flood of whine. If a critic doesn't have his own opinions he isn't a critic. Keep up the great work James.

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  26. jason61498 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 8:30 AM

  Sorry James going to have to disagree with you as well. Although I respect your opinion it probably wasn't the best idea to "nitpick" the flaws of the new batman to give you things to complain about to give them a low score.
  
  
  
  The new movies are suppose to be much darker then the 90s versions, and suppose to follow more closely to the comics. The 90s was trying to mix the 2 at the start where yes it had some seriousness to them, but was still coping the comedic acts of the even older batman, but even from your videos it seems you really didn't acknowledge that the new batman¿s are intended to be darker like the comics, which unfortunately discredits some of your credibility on the knowledge of the batman history.
  
  
  
  I just think its risky to open up a brand new show with nitpicks unless your trying to stir controversy which can horribly backfire on you (since you tend to nitpick the new ones, but didn¿t on the Tim burtons Batman which had just as many if not more nitpicking flaws)

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  27. unclebaarocks Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 8:30 AM

  Okay, you are Right on. AGAIN! I give it 5, pencils in the eye?!! Great job, guys.

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  28. EdSigma Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 9:08 AM

  Like this one, I think these reviews were fair. I like Batman Begins myself, I have the DVD, but I do admit it's not perfect, and I've never thought it was, for a few of the reasons mentioned in the vid, like the action scenes filmed like the cameraman was being mauled by a bear while it was happening. One thing about it that didn't get mentioned was that the whole evil plan to destroy the city wasn't that great, that microwave thing they used superheats and evaporates water, right? So why did it only affect what was in the pipes and sewers, wouldn't something like that just make everyone in the area burst like an egg in a microwave? The logic was more than a bit iffy on that. It's good this video includes the nit-picks, lets face it, didn't we all notice those things at the time? We just didn't care then because of how much of a step forward it was from Batman and Robin, but now I think it's fair to be a bit more critical, it's not a bad movie by any means, but it's not without issues.

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  29. Fissonmailed Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 9:11 AM

  yea the voice of Batman in batman begins sucks

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  30. cromartiedropout Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 10:03 AM

  Yeah, you really can't escape that dumbass growly voice when you cast Christian Bale =/
  
  Awesome review, thanks for voicing your honest opinion, although I'd expect nothing less from you. Even if I don't agree with everything, I can still appreciate the source and the comments. Which is what everyone else should be doing, not just trashing you for liking Batman from the 80s better than Batman Begins XD

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  31. TheChrononaut Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 10:33 AM

  "Yeah just stop reviewing movies period, seriously Batman 89 over Batman Begins and The Dark Knight? Don't know why some people here actually respect your opinion. Horrible"
  
  
  
  "Hey guess what? I'm one of your fans or should I say, WAS, I can't believe that I had to sign up and type this comment now.
  
  
  
  And in case you haven't realized yet, you're obviously not a true Batman fan, so don't ever consider yourself one again. You're simply either a Tim Burton, Jack Nicholson or campy fan, that's what you are.
  
  
  
  You're been getting really cocky lately judging by some of your latest AVGN videos. Just because you're popular now doesn't mean your opinions are flawless
  
  
  
  You may be right about everything when it comes to SH!TTY games but you clearly also have SH!TTY taste when it comes to movies. Do us a favor, just stick to AVGN only"
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Ok, Shut up... just.. shut up. You act like you're "the shit" while criticizing someone else. You push YOUR opinion on someone and say that they're wrong when they are being honest.
  
  
  
  Can we say HYPOCRITE?

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  32. julzeyeoftheenemy Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 11:10 AM

  Finally...a voice of reason over the screaming/raving opinions of this movie.
  
  James, I couldn't have put it any better than you have in this review, Dark Knight was a good movie and I believe the only reason it's such a success is because of the fantastic job Heath Ledger did.
  I have been talking shit about Heath ever since I heard that he would be playing the role of one of my all-time ultimate favorite villains, But I will also be the first to admit that he made the role his own, like you said it was an ORIGINAL joker that fits this day and age and he did it well, but Jack as far as I'm concerned played the character to a T.
  
  I knot alot of people are following the hype of the film and maybe they even feel compelled to agree based on the fact that Heath is no longer with us, but I have to say with all this Oscar talk...if Heath was still alive...there is NOWAY he would even be considered for the award, ESPECIALLY since it's a movie based on a comic book.
  
  With all my ranting said and done Heath was fantastic, I may go as far as saying it was his crowning role. But to say that this is the best Batman film of all-time, based on a VILLAIN'S performance...I would have to disagree.
  
  Excellent review man, can't wait to see more.

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  33. Jericho6969 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 11:54 AM

  I think that your right exept the movie Batman Begins Its an Awesome movie.

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  34. HardBoiledNoir Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 12:06 PM

  Great review. One thing you did not mention abot Batman Begins, wich makes it special to me is the soundtrack, though not as good as Elfman's scores to the Burton movies, It was really good, and made it a lot easier to get into the emotions of the movie. The fight scenes are as you say, to choppy. I don't like that extreme close up clip frenzy editiing wich has become to popular now a days(Being a kung fu cinema kind of guy, I like the side angle full view with a moderate amount of fast editing for action effect, only were it is needed alot better), With the exeption of the bourne Ultimatum, wich was extremely smart done, the fight scene with Desh in that movie was awesome. and to extreme close ups were always put were you'r focus should be in the fight, making it easyer to follow, despite the fast editing. Back to the point, Batman. I have not seen the Dark knight yet, but I hear it's awesome. It even shot up to nr 1, on the imdb top 250 list, wich is really impressive, even for a film with so much hype. (not that I take those ratings to seriously, but hitting nr1 there does say alot) And now as I saw your review I'm guessing theres someone getting a pencil though the eye:)

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  35. residentboone Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 12:37 PM

  I just wanted to say that my comments on page 2 are in no way bashing James for this review like some people are. I was simply stating my opinion and having a friendly debate. I think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if I completely disagree. Also, I loved Batman Begins and Dark Knight because they captured the comics and the characters so well and my opinion on them has nothing to do with hype. I completely ignore hype.

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  36. LurkerJ Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 1:33 PM

  Nerd, I've always respected your movie reviews until this. I thought The Dark Knight was one of the best movies i've ever seen and I thought Batman Begins was great too. I know you gave your opinions about the two but I've have to disagree with your points on The Dark Knight. Too me this movie was perfect in every way on how The Joker was portrayed as this person that doesn't know from right from wrong, and the performance wasn't joked around like in the old batman movies. Heath Ledger gave us one of the greatest performance of a villain in this movie. I'm sorry Nerd, but can't agree with you on this one.

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  37. Grim Santo Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 1:50 PM

  Great reviews, I don't see why everybody is upset with you for liking 89 Batman over the new ones. Like the man said it's this opinion.

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  38. johnlocke108 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 1:57 PM

  I truly enjoyed Batman 89¿. Its incredible gothic atmosphere, its brilliant score that just shouts out the name BATMAN¿
  
  
  
  But when you¿re talking about Batman Begins, well, what you claim to be overly ¿prestigious¿ and ¿boring¿ dialogue scenes, I call essential to both the story as a whole and characterizations, especially in the case of Bruce Wayne. The real thing that bugs me about your review is when you basically say that ¿when it all comes down to it, it¿s just about a guy that dresses up in a Bat-suit.¿ Nolan is a storyteller, and he brought something to the characters. Burton¿s Batman was essentially: his parents were killed and he¿s disturbed so he dresses like a bat to fight crime. Batman isn¿t my favorite comic book hero because he¿s ¿cool,¿ but rather because he has a complexity to his character that most superheroes lack.
  
  
  
  Being that we¿re both Batman fans, I find it surprising that you simply didn¿t want to see a full fledged origin of the character and that you complain that they have one small scene where they show the origin of the Bat-Signal. I loved being about to see these as a Batman fan.
  
  
  
  All in all, I respect you¿re opinions, but that doesn¿t mean that I understand them.

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  39. bey0ndbirthday Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 2:10 PM

  i lost some respect for james after the review of begins. for a guy who's really into movies, he can't tell a good one when he sees one. he's just intentionally nitpicking just so he "doesnt go with the crowd", making his opinion blind and biased.
  
  i gave this review 2 batnipples

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  40. Cilliandrew Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 2:38 PM

  You REALLY live up to your name as a Nerd with this one. Definitely disagree with you ranking Batman 89 over Batman Begins. That movie has a couple of the best scenes i've ever seen in a movie!

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  41. cleoambrosia Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 2:53 PM

  I so agree about Batman Begins. It was an entertaining movie, but I was far from blown away, and never really understood the hype.

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  42. Andrenn Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 3:24 PM

  I agree that Begins is overated. Though it was good enough to get a sequel, I thought it was all right at best.

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  43. Enda80 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 3:38 PM

  Regarding your jibe about the next Rocky film getting called The Italian Stallion, note that the next Superman film will be called The Man of Steel and the next Phantom film will be called the Ghost Who Walks.

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  44. Pslyy Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 3:47 PM

  I really can't undestand you Dark Knight fans. I really love Godfather and if someone says it's a sh1tty movie, I don't care. But if someone gives 4/5 to Dark Knight you start whining like a bunch of kids. Opinions are like assholes: everone has one. So get used to it that not everyone likes the same movies as you. Not that I don't like Dark Knight myself. I just can't understand how childish you're being.

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  45. monkeypoo111 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 3:58 PM

  I love how the comments in agreement about the mediocrity of Batman Begins are voted negatively. It's an opinion, get over yourselves.
  
  Some people know that Batman Begins was an average quality film.
  
  Other people are high school drop outs.
  
  No need to get upset about it.

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  46. Sérgio Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 4:51 PM

  Wow, so much hate in here.
  
  
  
  Well, I agree with james, Nolan sucks as Batman. Ever since I watched the movie I was like: Wow Keaton, where are you? Nolan voices as Batman is horrible.
  
  
  
  Stop the personal attacks, he has a right to voice is opinion, agree or not, just argument.

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  47. IronFan Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 4:57 PM

  I couldnt believe it when I looked at these comments, seeing all the cry baby's hiding comments complimenting James. James said batman begins was ok, just overated. He said the Hype was out of control on dark knight and argue if you will, but it was. Have you ever seen this many people care so much about a superhero flick? NO! This is a great movie that should be apreciated and loved but not for the reasons people are loving it. this is a GREAT movie, but the only reason 50% of these people go to see it is that Heath Ledger died. Its really stupid that before they didnt care at all about the dark knight or heath ledger. AFter he died I had to explain who Heath Ledger was to what seemed like everyone, but after that everyone suddenly became a "Heath Ledger fan"
  
  I loved the dark knight sooo much! But not because the joker is dead, but because I apreciate a good film. Thats how it should be.

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  48. IronFan Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 5:10 PM

  Yall mean christian bale right?lol

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  49. DeathMetalMike007 Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 5:13 PM

  I'm sorry but, while you voiced somewhat valid complaints about Batman Begins, the fact that you think that the Nolan series is being "pretentious" by trying to make the films realistic and meaningful. Although what can I expect from a guy that most of his videos are dwelling upon video games from over 20 years ago, of course he's going to worship the 1989 Batman film, of course directed by a guy who has absolutely any idea about Batman or how to create a proper rogues gallery, without deformed a penguin-man as The Penguin and Batman as being "misunderstood". Honestly, you think that Jack Nicholson was better than Heath Ledger??? Even the naysayers of The Dark Knight say that Heath's performance blows Nicholson's out of the water.
  
  
  
  Why do you praise "The Dark Knight Returns" by Frank Miller in your last one for taking Batman seriously and making it realistic, yet now say that "Oh, well Batman is just a guy in a rubber (technically it's titanium-weave) suit, so why take it seriously"? You are right, comparing Ledger's Joker to Nicholson's Joker is like comparing Nicholson's to Romero's; the former is a masterpiece compared to the campiness that is the latter. The only possible reason for thinking he's better is denial that Burton was WRONG about something in his version.
  
  
  
  I love your AVGN videos and I guess I can appreciate a different perspective, but really, I can't take this review seriously at all.

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  50. Frank Castle Posted on Jul 21 '08 at 6:17 PM

  Thank you for being true to yourself. Its easy to just follow the leader instead of thinking for yourself.
  
  That said, I much prefer the newer films, because they're films. I can tell you don't like how seriously these new movies take the preposterous Batman concept, but that part of the appeal. The movie aren't about the action scenes, or the production design, or anything showy like in Burton's movies. These are about story and character, and The Dark Knight does raise some pretty deep issues. I think its overboard to call it 'pretentious' because these films are trying to be about something rather than a way to kill two hours.

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