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Coming back, but I find it funny that so many people (especially the viking fans) keep thinking that the Samurai would always win hands down. This was the closest one-on-one battle to date and due to the close results, these two warriors looked rather evenly matched one-on-one. If viking fans can't accept that a smaller warrior can match vikings in battle, then they need to get over themselves.
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i really think that the vikings would have won out in a real faceoff. the samurai have no real tactics for dealing with shielded foes having not had to face them in ages.
you can see quite clearly that the viking even with the heavy shield would have imediately taken the little man with the big club out with a single hit of his axe to the back of the neck even with a broken arm and shield.
sure the samurai would have hurt the viking but his momentum works against him there cause he isnt big enough to haul it up and defend himself before the viking kills him.
further more the samurai may have been smart tactitons but they were also very very very traditional. the vikings could adapt in an instant to a new enemy having done it in almost every battle they faced, the samurai held on to their traditions even in the face of gunpowder. they would be cut down faster then they could become horrified by the vikings lack of honour.
and im saying this as a realy big fan of samurai.
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"Samurai were only body guards." You guys ever read Japanese history? Opposing samurais clans would rage large scale wars against each other for the control of Japan. Samurai armies also fought off the Mongolian army twice. And lets face it the Mongolians were far more effective at barbaric warfare then the Vikings. The Mongol Empire was massive, yet they could not capture Japan thanks to the Samurai armies.
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Well myself as a teacher of history and greek mythology, I feel I must comment upon Tetsuru's mentioning the Samurai as poets and Haiku masters, which inveriably they were, and folks out there can make what they wish. On the one hand, in greek mythology the greatest hero, Heracles, could not even remotely do poetry or play an instrument; in fact he was compelled in his first labors because he lost his temper and killed his lyre-tutor. On the other hand, the deadliest hero by far in Homer's Iliad was Akhilleus, and in book IX, he COULD sing, compose poetry and play music. Make what you wish and I love this show guys!
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Well for watching this show as a teacher of history and greek mythology, I feel I must comment upon Tetsuru's mentioning Samurai Haiku and the issue of education. On the one hand, in greek mythology, the greatest hero, Heracles, could not create music at all; in fact he was compelled on his first labors to redeem himself because he murdered his lyre-tutor when he was 15. On the other, in Homer's Iliad the greatest war hero, Akhilleus, COULD sing, do poetry and he could do it very well; see Homer's Iliad book IX. Make what you wish and love your show guys!
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samurai is my fav i been livin the samurai code my hole life i just wish that samuari fought somone elese vikings are weak and they had that fight somone that has to wear chainmail and still looses omg too weak in my book vikings are fat and slow spartans are awsome tho
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ya know everyone who represents the warriors burn each other the wholle episode then in the after math there fine and dandy
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Ok, honestly I think the viking should have been a little closer to winning or winning. First of all, the katana(the most popular samurai weapon) didn't penetrate the chainmail. A viking would usually either carry a one handed weapon and a shield or a greataxe. A great axe, even if it didn't cut through the armor, would beak bones from blunt forces. A viking with a shield would be even less likely to be taken down. In most cases, I'd imagine a average samurai with a katana instead of the real deal killer the kanabo. Over all, I'd like to see a re'do of this episode.
Later bros
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The Samuri are my all time favorite but, i do see why some people like the spartans and spetsnaz
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Hey how bout
Egil Skallagrimson VS Miyamoto Musashi
I love both of them hehe would rule and yes Miyamoto Musashi is not a samurai he is a duelist of Japan and died of old age and unconventional at that he threw his short sword and fought with two katanas much like I like two long swords and I recommend his book "A Book of Five Rings" and Egil died in his 90's from a duel both duelist :P
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Figure no one posting here but wanted to get every one going again lol here is a post
Viking Team: Casey Hendershot (Viking Weapons Instructor?), Matt Nelson (Viking Combat Expert, Descendant of Danish Vikings???)
Samurai Team: Tetsuro Shigematsu (Samurai Descendant??), Brett Chan (Samurai Weapons Expert??)
Casey Hendershot (Viking Weapons Instructor?)
Casey Hendershot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF4bSiLOkeI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTlkNX2eOR4
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1105343/
Matt Nelson
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3397956/
Brett Chan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voRudYoNWCk
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0150812/
Tetsuro Shigematsu( Samurai Descendant ) Great Samurai videos check them out!!!!!!
http://shigematsu.com/tetsuro/videos/standup.wmv
http://shigematsu.com/tetsuro/videos/pop.wmv
http://shigematsu.com/tetsuro/videos/chinese.wmv
http://shigematsu.com/tetsuro/videos/Albert.wmv
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuro_Shigematsu
Stuntmen and Actors makes Hollywood not History :P
My videos on youtube (Viking vs. Samurai : Thrand's aftermath part 1, 2 and 3 also there is a fighting bonus video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpu2NRg-HEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_qFq7QfUjI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q74SOH9Bgp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEEuxzfEmX8
also http://www.hurstwic.org/history/text/history.htm is a great site to show inaccuracies in show.
and love this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsZnTCQptWc
Checkout these web sites about Deadliest Warrior
http://bshistorian.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/deadliest-warrior-my-arse/
http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/deadliest-warrior-combat-simulator/
enjoy :P
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No I did not fail.You are saying you should always change your choice.Not so this is a lie what if you are right from start on your choice then you lose.You have a 33.3% chance to get it right from start.Ok what you are saying is the game show all ways opens a door with goat behind it when you chose one of three.This may not be so.They may only do it if you have the right choice because due to common psychology a person would commonly change choice and lose giving the show control.If you where wrong they don't have to do this and if so they could just open one with car and say sorry you lose.OK You don't say for sure if this method of elimination that they let you chose as they eliminate doors or they always chose a goat door.What I am saying you say always change your choice and you have 2 out 3 chance of winning this may not be so it would depend on circumstances by picking you have 33.3% chance of being right 66.6% of being wrong they show you a goat you change your choice because you see the goat knowing you had 66% chance of be wrong.but when you chance you lose your 33% chance of being right you have subtract this from your imaginary 66.6% chance of being wrong whats left 33.3%
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The Japanese dude was a dick to the Viking dude, Samurais were great but not "oh my god, it's a samurai were all gonna die"
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Wow the Viking was cheated, it was a scrawnny ass one compare to other vikings.
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I may be a bit old to begin the Path to knighthood, but could you drop me of somewhere in lower scotland, northern england? though hopefuly not to close to thrand. I don't feel like fighting the vikings before I even make it to squire.
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That is it I am building my time machine so I can settle this once and for all!
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I would like to see a Mossad vs SAS fight
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ma yr Gay! the viking should have won!
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That would be awesome. Leonidas is probally my favorite person of all time but Hannibel was one of the biggest bad asses of all time. He totally dominated the Roman army with a much smaller force. Hannibel was such an awesome leader.
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i was pretty disappointed about the outcome of this one. well anyway, i would love to see attila the hun VS alex the great. that would be awesome. also the mongol vs the roman
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they should make a show of Leonidas of sparta and hannibel of carthage. that would b a good fight, that's just me talking.
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Unfortunately that would be a mismatch of epic proportions. I'm a fan of the Samurai but the Knight's armor is just too thick to deal any real damage. That match could only go to the knight. They need to give each side a chance of victory in these match ups.
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Another great Aftermath, but the question on every fans mind, and it's one that's been circulating since the beginning of the show, when are you going to do the episode that everyone wants to see, Max Geiger's hair vs. Kieron Elliott's accent?
Beyond that, how about in season 2 doing a fan's choice episode or something along those liens, see who the fans want to see fight each other? It would be cool to see who would win in a battle between a samurai and a knight settled once and for all.
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The blatant racism of the samurai consultant in this episode is absolutely disgusting, and completely unacceptable! There is no reason for any one to put up with trash talk like that, & i for one will never watch this show again! What a complete jerkoff!
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Point 3-Strength and size. The second biggest problem in your whole post. I am proof that size and strength don't always win a fight. I'm only about 5-8 and 180 pounds. I routinely used to fight and beat people who were equally skilled in martial arts who outweighed me by at least 40 pounds and once even beat a man who outweighed me by 120 pounds. My two best friends are both over 6 feet tall and they even acknowledge I'm more dangerous than both of them. Even without introducing these facts, you seem to have never studied how the samurai trained. During the period that it appears the show took the samurai from they were at their absolute peak. They had wars to fight regularly and had trained furiously since the age of 7. The samurai were not a group of physical weaklings. Mastery of Yumijutsu/kyujutsu (Japanese archery) took great strength. The bows were 7 feet tall and ridiculously difficult to pull back. Samurai were capable of firing it several times in rapid succession. If you'd done any research into the other side you would have that data.
Point 4-Afraid of death? This is the moment where any credibility you had died. I repeat. DIED! Samurai and vikings, if they had anything in common, it was that neither was afraid of death. If you think the samurai were afraid to die you really need to open a book on the samurai. They believed the greatest honor was to die in battle. They actually went into battle hoping and planning to die. Ritual Suicide was part of the SAMURAI CODE! That's actually part of the cultural reason they didn't carry a shield. Bushido required a samurai to be willing to die at a moment's notice. Again, if you actually knew anything about what you were talking about, you'd have known that.
So, now I hope you have learned something from this. Remember, it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to post ignorant, foolish, and poorly researched information and confirmed as one.
Have a nice day
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Oh boy. Usually I'd ignore a comment like this but it¿s so ridiculous I just can't leave it alone. I'm glad you enjoy Viking history and find your heritage fascinating. However, you seem to be woefully uninformed about the Samurai. I will proceed to pick your post apart one point at a time.
Point 1- The sword. Yes, the katana did nothing against the chain mail. That is indisputable. However, the viking didn't have that mail everywhere. He didn't have it on one of the places that the Samurai loved to attack; the back of legs! (interestingly, one of the few things the final choreographed battle at the end depicted correctly imo).
point 2-The only weapon that could do major damage was the kanabo or the Yumi? Those are definitely two heavy hitters (even though seriously, the kanabo was not a common weapon at all and even a small amount of research will reveal it). However, the naginata and the katana both do something that they don't show testing for in the episode. They can stab just like any sword. A naginata is a far more dangerous weapon than it showed with a variety of uses in the hands of a skilled samurai. I think I've already made my case for the katana about being where you slash.
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Vikng should have totally won! I've researched, and learnt about Vikings (cause they are so cool) and in the testingthe samurai sword didn't do anything to the chainmail the only weapon that could of done major damage for the samurai is the kanabo (which is really cool by the way) and the bow, The vikings were also strong and big (from their life-style) and would have loved to go into battle and die to go to Valhalla, while the samurai would still have the fear of dying, a man who wants to die in battle or one that dosn't.
P.S. I have viking ancestery
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couple of points, why incourage thrand hes just a sore loser. whn i saw him i was like... oh jeses fukin christ. and in his video did anyone notica that kno 1 there could fight worth of shit?
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its saturday... weres the new vid?....
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Yes, Keep crying Thrand. I'm sure it will do you some good eventually.
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I'm also doubtful of the Kanabo, I mean, it was heavy as hell, who the hell even used that thing? I'm just curious, and maybe it would have been good to include the other spear that the Samurai used: the Yari, which was a thrusting spear. But yeah, I'm satisfied with whoever won this fight because these were my two favorite warriors from history.
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Also remember this the viking was the size of an average man now days in good physical condition he would have been lean not fat do to the diet of the era and extremely healthy.Would you consider an average size individual in top physical condition on a good diet who trained regularly in speed and combat slow that not a super heavy weight 170 to 180 lbs is it?So why would the viking be so slow he was not fat at all and well built. The samurai on the other hand was 5' 2" to 5' 3" about 120lbs to 130 lbs about size of 12 year boy who ate mostly grains with moderate exercise and combat training would you picture him that much faster than the average size person ?Basically samurai weapons where lighter to make the usable by Samurai. Viking weapons where heavier by a small amount because they where just is fast as the samurai weapons to the viking do to strength.Samurai armor was lighter as well due to size and weight that would be appropriate.Viking weapons where designed to defeat heavy armor which the viking could wear no problem do to larger size and strenght but rember he is only average size of a man now days in top health.
There was not junk food in the 9th century and every one did hard work to survive no one sit or their arse :P
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I would like to see Marine Force Recon VS spetsnaz. I know a Recon Marine and those guys are beats and highly trained
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The main problem is the viking was portrayed as an Idiot .Not only did they say Brains against brawn.They also had him running with shield on back holding two war spears not to made to be thrown (having a shorter range due to size and weight and he would not have 2 of them unless javelin size) at an archer.They said he just picked up his weapons and learn to use them by swinging them at people not minding to explain they where passed down tactics and techniques practice since the child was big enough to pick up a sword and walk many said to be giving to them by the all father himself.The dint mention not all vikings where raiders they where explorers,merchants and settlers.
Women had equal rights if not more the Bride price was given to them and the had the right to Divorce their husband at any time by throwing their wedding dress down and saying I Divorce thee 3 times.Women could vote and fight as well if they wished some names of viking raiders on ships that where documented where female.
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The viking was not a body builder by modern standards he ate a well balanced diet with extreme exercise from daily life style/war training and was the size of an average person now days 5'10" about 170 to 180 lbs this would not make him slow.The average samurai ate an entirely different diet mostly carbohydrates less exercise/mostly technique training and was about 5'2" to 5'3" and weighted about 120 to 130 lbs he was said to be equal in size and build to a 12 year old modern male.Now I am sorry from my years of experience in heavy fighting I have seen skilled fighters men,women and youths fight.The larger opponents do gain advantage from being taller and stronger.they have more reach and it is harder to protect your head from over head shots when fighting sword and shield plus they can push you around and off balance with shield(I have seen people knocked to the ground this way). The bigger concern here is the samurai has no shield at all. the way the armor they whore was designed to stop slashing weapons with some one using a lighter weight weapon of there force potential of a 5'3" 130lbs person not the kind of force the European list field had nor caliber of weapon to penetrate armor.Samurai had no experience against shields either nor where any weapon they used design to get around them.The kanabo was not used either.So in my opinion from years of heavy fighting the samurai's chance of winning was greatly influenced by these factors not even considered properly on the episode and chance should be smaller than what he was afforded by modern stereotyping and martial arts promotion and media portrayal of the samurai and his skill. This is speaking from experience in fighting many styles even the samurai's, European and viking and from a realistic not fantasy and historical based Background .
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"i would like to see what would happen if they put a lightweight in the octagon with a heavyweight"
Well, while Royce Gracie isnt a lightweight, but only 1 weight class up (welterweight - 170), he has fought many who have outweighed him greatly and defeated many of them.
Remco Pardoel - 250lbs - submission - lapel choke
Patrick Smith - 225 lbs - submission - strikes
Kimo Leopoldo - 235 lbs - submission - armlock
Dan Severn - 250 lbs - submission - triangle choke
Ken Shamrock - 235 lbs - Submission - rear naked choke
Now while I did choose one of the greatest/well known fighters in UFC history, you can see that it can be done, and has been done. I also omitted a few victories, such as Akebono (484 lbs) and others, as they had lopsided losing records or the only fight ever and obviously arent that good.
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In this video the samourai would win, agaisnt a regular viking warrior, a more even matchup would be a beserker, but thats not the first point i want to make
firstly, i'm sorry but here is the broblem with the great axe and katana being titled "short ranged" weapons, they were long, very, very long, also, it doesnt matter about range and power if your great axe hits nothing and/or gets blocked/deflected
secondly, when your using a shield, and i cant stress this enough, when your using a shield, you don't sit there and let them hit your shield squarly! you turn your shield slightly so most of the forc e continues downwards/sideways and let you shield take SOME of the impact, letting a enemy hit your shield squarly is a very good way to break your arm, get killed
thirdly, a viking warrior was a viking peasant, yes, they were a warrior nation, but what do you think they did when they got back home? thats right, farm, a beserker on the otherhand, was a fighting machine, if you wanted to live and you were near a beserker, you stayed away, a samourai was a skilled, disiplined warrior, so they would be a good matchup, skill, training, impressive armour, and disipline, versus, raw power and incredible skill,
fourthly, this is a problem i hav e with every episode, this show, is impossible, you just can't show human intuitiomn and the effects of pain in a simulartion porgram, not if you want it open ended.
fifthly, i notice that people in this thread are saying samourai only fought agaisnt other samourai, not true, i'll make a list of the poeple samourai fought(or the ones i kn ow of):mongols(yes, mongols) samourai, peasants(because that counts for somehting) and ninjas
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I have done tonnes of research and know plenty about the samurai and even more bout vikngs due to a couple of war history and ancient war university classes, and I say hands down there is no way a samurai would best a viking in one on one nor a larger battle, back then samurai were 130lbs average, look at men today who weigh this much they are super small by viking standards, the vikings were very skilled and even if the samurai has an edge skill/knowledge wise, its not that much more skill/knowledge anyway, ask any ancient war expert/professor and they would not be bias to either side, however they would all say Viking takes the cake (and by cake I mean samurai ass;))
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Great episode and aftermath. I thought the samuri would win showing discipline over ferocity. I was rooting for the Viking. After the testing, I felt it was a real toss up. My guess is that the bow was the difference maker, although unlike the Gladiator shield, the Viking shield did seem large enough to be able to defend effectivelly against arrows. It is likely that the Viking would be injured somewhat before getting close enough to engage the Samuri in close quarters.
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I do think the weapons tester for the Samuri was way too big and strong to give an accurate representation of the damage a typical Samuri would go against traditional Viking defenses. As close as this simulation was, any inaccuraries, however slight could have changed the outcome.
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I've recently been reading the book The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon. The main character gives one scenario he dubs the Monty Hall Problem which I like alot. Everything about it is fictional, but the overall message can be applied easily to this debate. Here's how it goes:
A woman claiming to hold the Guiness World Record for the highest IQ works for a magazine as a columnist who answers math problems. Here is one problem she received: "You are on a televised game show, and there are three doors in front of you. One door hides a car, while the other two hide goats. You are asked to choose the door which you think hides the car. However, instead of opening the door you chose, the host, who knows what's behind each door, opens one of the other doors and reveals a goat. You are then asked whether you want to keep your choice or change. What should you do?"
The columnist said that you should always change your choice because that way, you have a 2/3 chance of getting the car. But if you uesd your intuition, you'd figure that you'd have a 50-50 shot. The columnist received many letters from many mathematicians, all yelling at her to admit her mistake and fix it. But she never apologized, because in reality, she was always right. Look at the situation like this: There are 6 total outcomes. Of these 6, 3 involve changing your choice. Of these 3, 2 involve winning the car. The answer is 2/3, not 1/2 (50-50).
The message is that unlike logic, intuition can be wrong.
"You are on a televised game show,
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yup. samurai, you really shouldn't believe every thing 300 or tom cruise tells you. ok, I'll be fair, you shouldn't believe that all samurai, or even any, were Kill bill/ Anime samurai. they were really not AS good as those depict. now, the spartans did kick ass, but I would actually be very interested in a real viking vs spartan, or even knight.as they used similar tactics, as thrand said, sometimes better ones for one on one, and had more modern technology.
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vikings are nothing give the samurai a challenge: a spartan vs. a samuari. thats a real mans fight!
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the aftermaths kind of make mad for a number of reasons
1) They pick the questions they anwser
2) They pick the worst questions
3) They halfass awnser said questions
4) The arragant way they awnser
5) Max Geiger
6) Max Geiger
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The shield they speak of on the show would have had to be covered on both sides with raw hide not standard leather on show on just front side the shield was only 1/4 inch thick the shield wood is not what stops the blow the one they had was like over a 1" think it looked from side view and raw hide is what makes the strength. Their are two forms of shields construction one like plywood such as mine in my videos and a form of lamination of raw hide and leather much like plywood as well but better.My shield is only 1/4" oak in my video it dose not break or break the arm because they way it is held by a center boss.The Gokstad shields were approximately 7mm (1/4in) thick near the center and were chamfered so they were thinner at the edges meaning raw hide stitched to sandwich it to keep it from breaking because of butted planks which was not shown and 1"1/2" thick with metal bands the shield dint have no one could use it at all by center grip.
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Wow, this episode by far has inspired the most discussion and argument. I mean, just look at this comment board! We have full debates going on for practically every piece of armor and armament, not to mention the touchy issue of mindset and skill. Plus, the famous Thrand issue? This episode is great solely because of the controversy it sparked. You have to admire people for their persistance and loyalty.
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facts being facts the vikings were not the greatest one on one warriors. They lost. Sorry viking fans but those are the facts of the show. So while they may be great warriors they just are not the greatest. So far the greatest without the use of gunpowder are the apache, samurai, spartan, william wallace, and the others that actually won there fight. Sorry, but those are the facts of the show and cant be disputed. The show seems to be completely without bias, they just enter in the factual results they get from there tests and the computer spits out the results. The people that are putting together the shows are about 98-99% accurate about the warrior they are representing. So the fact that someone points out the viking had the wrong color on or someother pointless detail would not change the outcome of the fight. The show is really accurate, sorry someone has to lose but its the way it has to be. The samurai were just better one on one fighters.
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Viking's fans are bunch of sort losers... Viking are nothing more then the ultimate coward warrior of all time... They are such a pathetic people... Even I alone can beat 100,000 viking warriors in less then 60 seconds by two hand tie behind my back and blindfolded. All i need to do is fart once and all the viking warriors will drop like flies.... Like a plague pass through them like firestorm...
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As a Martial Artist, I would like to congratulate the team to Deadliest Warrior. There ways to produce data with what have is truly incredible.
Now, what i want to see, and so does many, many people, is that you pit the previous warriors against previous warriors, but with different weapons.
Also the Ninja vs. Spartan... Ninja should have won but the ninja team choose a worthless selection of weapons... why don't they watch some Naruto for god sake... I am not dissing the Spartan, because they are truly a deadly warrior, but if I would have chosen the ninjas weapons I would have chosen the Ninjato (standard ninja weapon), the Shuriken (standard throwing weapon), Black Eggs (It was really cool weapon), But I would have chosen the Tiger claw (preferably the 7-12 inch ones), and the Throwing spikes (because they are a weapon that can target vital organs, nerve points, and crippling points with pin point accuracy).
There are also some points I would like to point out, (Taliban vs IRA) if you see a bomb next to you and its going tick tick, you don't stand there you run like your on fire or something!!!!!
That's all my comments for now...
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They didn't test true Samurai armor! It wasn't "steel plates" it was leather with very thin steel plates over it. The armor was very lightwieght and only good against japanese weapons. They also failed to say that Samurai only fiught 1 group of people: other Samurai. The average Samurai was about 5'2 whearas the average viking was about 5'10-6 feet. The armor would protect against slashes, but the heavy iron weapons of the Viking would crush the armor in no time. And who would swing an axe at the thickest partof the body!? Seriously??? I'd rather swing at the ribs or the shoulder. Both places are covered only by leather! The axe would go thru no problem! Even IF it didn't, broken ribs and collar-bone equals a heavily weakened Samurai! I think there were mistakes on both sides, and this episode should have been re-done. We SAW the Katana unable to pierce chainmail. The same would ahve been the case with the Naginata, at least the slashing motion.
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