Deadliest Warrior The Aftermath - Green Beret vs. Spetsnaz

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  1. aidremick Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:04 AM

  What about the AK-74 no way it is as good as a M-4 its only advantage is the durability not the accuracy or anything else.

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  2. TheEJS Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:06 AM

  Thanks for answering all the BIG questions, cause those tiny little ones like the Saiga being designed in the 1990s, Sonny missing an entire target without penalty while Gomez's Beretta rush seemed to destroy the Green Beret victory (which, curiously, Max danced around and never said if the night vision test was run multiple times, just the "defining moment'), or why the Beretta 92F was used in place of the M1911A1.
  
  Still, I wish I knew how to quit this show...

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  3. MaxGeiger Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:07 AM

  Ah, misspoke in this one, "Red Queen's Hypothesis" should have been Red Queen's Race.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen%27s_race
  
  Which gets used more specifically in an evolutionary context:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen
  
  Crossed a wire in my head and was thinking of Zeno's Arrow Paradox at the same time.

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  4. TheEJS Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:08 AM

  For clarification, Sonny missing refers to the Saiga test... even worse than missing a target by running up to it and unloading point-blank (and still missing some shots with 11 in total fired from the Makarov) is missing a target when you have a shotgun.

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  5. pyntk94 Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:43 AM

  can't you just let people post these videos on youtube so i dont have to wait for hours for these videos to load.

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  6. Jumpypsyco Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:44 AM

  thanks for answering some questions!

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  7. Tamashii7 Posted on May 16 '09 at 1:14 AM

  Wow, they used my comment. Awesome! Though I would've prefered that they used one of my other comments. I think I may have exagerrated a bit on my comment. I didn't think either side would've actually killed eachother, I just felt there was a lot of tension between the two groups (afterall, the Green Berets and the Spetsnaz were enemies before) and that it could've lead to some violence. If they actually did duke it out though, the Spetsnaz guys would've owned lol. Thanks guys for using my comment! Can't wait for Shaolin Monk vs Maori Warrior next tuesday.

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  8. subcpo Posted on May 16 '09 at 1:53 AM

  I have known several people who have been stabbed with a knife and lived. Many people have been stabbed multiple times and lived. While a Spetsnaz is much deadlier with a knife, and a spring loaded blade adds another deadly aspect, a Green Beret stands a very good chance of living through a stab from the blade. And that's assuming the blade hits, seeing how it has only ONE chance of hitting its mark. NO warrior is going to survive a wound from the E-tool, and if he misses the first time, he strikes until he hits his mark. Refering to the use of the E-tool as "gardening" is both insulting to the Green Berets and way out of line. Clearly your choice of the knife as having the edge was a ratings move to boost arguments and create a little controversy that will draw in more viewers who want to debate. While I love your show, this was a weak move. After watching the episode, I honestly belief the Spetsnaz are tough enough and could have still won without your choice. But you guys could have been more honest with this one.

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  9. LoupGarou216 Posted on May 16 '09 at 4:52 AM

  I agree 100% with Deadliest Warrior this time around (which is rare) . It is hard when you find out your soldiers are not the best in the world (especially for the often overly-patriotic Americans) but when it comes to modern special forces, no one comes close to the Russians and especially the British. The Americans (and Canadians, Australians and Germans) are amazing, but the Russians and especially British lead the pack without question.

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  10. specialkcl66 Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:02 AM

  Why can't I find anything about E-tool Howard online...

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  11. MuzzleVelocity Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:06 AM

  This episode was ridiculous. Not only are the Russian so-called special forces inferior to the Americans, they're inferior to the British, French, Australians, and Germans. A spring loaded knife? Please; you're trying to kill a man, not set a trap for a pesky road-runner. What's next for the Russians? An anvil hanging from a rope?
  At the same time, the testing methods don't make a lot of sense on this show. How can you test one grenade in a washing machine and another in a blast chamber and declare one superior to the other? They have to both be tested under identical circumstances or else the results won't mean anything.
  This show seems to be suffering since they've moved into testing modern weapons. Hopefully they'll figure out what they're doing before they make any other obvious errors.

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  12. specialkcl66 Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:27 AM

  btw, wire-foo...what a great term

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  13. SonnyPuzikas Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:35 AM

  Some additional clarifications:
  What was shown on your TV screen was a result of "FINAL EDIT".
  NVG pistol test: It was filmed in one take with multiple cameras. I fired 9 shots (8+1). Hit 6, missed 3. Second camera angle (with sound) made it look like there were additional shots... It was ONE take episode. No re-runs. NVG's used were civilian Gen1. Pistols were not suppressed to limit the muzzle flash. Gen1 does not offer ANY depth perception and severly washes out with the flash. Both sides had to deal with it. That is why I chose to move slower...
  Shotgun: I hit all targets. Going from my left- neck, neck, chest, neck. Additional shots were filmed later with me being asked to shoot at some additional items placed there... All that footage was edited into final "look". Actual target engagement was one take shot. Magazine used - 5 round capacity. Saiga- civilian version hunting shotgun- with no pistol grip or combat sights. Not by my choice- that was what we were given...
  Additionally- my partner Maxim resides in Canada. He has not handled AK or SVD in over a decade (check Canadian gun laws...).
  Bodyarmor... Different advanced firearms (.50BMG, etc...)? Then what? 9x39 armor piercing 5P rounds for VSS Vintorez? 12.7x108 round for suppressed VSKK "Vychlop" rifle? AN94 "Abakan" with 7N22 rounds? 9x21 caliber SPS pistol able to penetrate 30 layers of Kevlar and 2.8mm titanium plate at 100 meters? It becomes test of equipment, nothing more...
  If there are any serious questions- very willing to talk about it- time permitting.
  A side note: "The simulation" was done with actors- not us. We had no part in directing-planning and designing of the segment. Woulda-coulda-shoulda talk... You are trying to disect a short MOVIE- it's legitimacy in context of combat... C'mon now...
  Good day to all...

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  14. Ninja_Knight Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:35 AM

  ok i like this show. And im sure they work hard but you lose me alot of times with the simulation. I think Spetznaz
  
  and Green Beret are close but if one were to look at sim alone you'd think Green Beret won. They took out 4 spetznaz dudes outright??? and then One Spetznaz kills 3??? After that the last green beret shot at the Spetznaz in the dark with nightvision googles(which probably are very good at detecting human movement ) and missed?? Then the guy had the E-tool and the Spetznaz didn't even have his knife out. Just by logic alone Green beret. Im not doubting the combat efficiency of either group but atleast do the viewers the favors of making the simulations more realistic....thanks

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  15. JasonRedfield Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:55 AM

  It's too bad they didn't respond to my comment in this. I think I actually brought up a good point.
  
  
  
  P.S.: Sonny pronounced Makarov wrong.

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  16. agent001 Posted on May 16 '09 at 8:37 AM

  Another great aftermath. I hope people can learn to just be objective.
  
  That being said, the shaolin monk is going to destroy the maori. Just sayin'.

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  17. SonnyPuzikas Posted on May 16 '09 at 9:08 AM

  AK vs the M4... Accuracy- any quality Ak (47, 74 or 100 series) will have accuracy very closely matching that of quality M4 out to 150-200 meters. With difference being so insignificant in terms of damage/injure inflicted to human flesh, that it is mute point. On paper- you can measure it. Green Berets or any other warriors don't fight paper. 95+ percent of all engagements encountered by SF (regardless of country of origin) in combat are within those ranges, with good 70% of those being within 100 meters... Further out- different tool for different job. Not to say that well trained operator can't engage accurately enough with AK out to 400-500 meters. That is where reliability comes in. Low tolerances in M4 don't allow for much of anything to happen to the rifle in order for it to remain functional. And in combat S&%T happens... It's not static range exercise. It's chaos. You don't "baby" your rifle. You use it.

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  18. ajc518 Posted on May 16 '09 at 9:18 AM

  They didnt answer the most important question. Was this suppose to be during the Cold War period?
  
  
  
  -Using the Soviet flag as oppessed to the modern Russian. (cold war)
  
  -Green Berret with modern ACU camo
  
  -Modern Russian shotguns
  
  -Using Dragnouv as oppossed to modern Russian bolt action rifles.
  
  
  
  As far the the "we never wore body armor in SF"
  
  Maybe 20 years ago, but last year when I was in Iraq EVERY single SF guy I saw wore SAPI plates. Also if SF didnt wear armor, how come all the actors in the video were fully loaded with it?
  
  
  
  I like how he talks about the LT with 27 confirmed E-tool kills, yet the 1 shot ballistic knife won.
  
  
  
  I am really upset that they didnt address IKs comment about being Russian spetsnaz, and that this whole thing was BS. Like when he said that they didnt use Makrov pistols and ballistic knives were more of what you would see in a movie as oppossed to real life during the cold war period.

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  19. SonnyPuzikas Posted on May 16 '09 at 9:36 AM

  OK... Show was filmed in California. Availability of weapons to represent ANY era of SF evolution in Russia (USSR) is limited at best...
  IK and his comments... IF- and I emphasize IF- IK is what he says he is- it is not necessary that he was exposed to same training, or even aware of it, especially considering his stated years of service. And IK or any other "names"- if you make a statement in public forum, state your name with it... Maxim, myself, Matt and his comrade are not hard to find... Nor the information about our service records... What makes IK's credibility questionable is his statement about Maxim's and mine ethnicity... I am part Lithuanian, part Russian, born in Lithuania, which was part of USSR. I was drafted and then chosen for service in my unit. Some units had operators with Georgian, Chechen, Azerbaijani names... Don't remmember any of it, IK??? Makarov... Of course it was not the choice of any operator to carry it. Different choices were available, but for the show the creators chose the weapons. We had no input on that. We bitched and complained about it- but you work with what you have. Ballistc knife? I had held in my hands twice- both times as a relic from museum. Not in use since 70's. Newer NR-2 and 3 knifes are in use. They have 2 barrels chambered for 7.62x25 round with the trigger device on the knife handle. Nope- we did not to get to use those for the show...

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  20. m1w9c9h0 Posted on May 16 '09 at 9:54 AM

  How about body armor how about head gear come on wear is the real testing and why are you testing long range wepons in the range of medium range wepons the long range wpons are good to up to 1000+ yards
  
  
  
  i believe the the green beret will be weilding alot more then wat they show and where is the banot
  
  
  
  all troops are tought to fix banonets and my grandpa a former green beret was discussed with the testing the green beret did not show the real fighting spirit or tectich such as the e tool and banonet combo or how about the grenade attchement for the m4 how about the infared sights on the m4 when you swich over to the night vision where are the stun grenades
  
  
  
  for both sides this was fixed only 5 wepons and no armor is not a real test for the teams each team would brought in alot more firepower and alot more armor and come on the engagement they chose was just bs yeah urban warfair is awsome but wat about camo and testing of each teams capabilties in the surrending areas
  
  
  
  i believe both sides woulda sit up a snipe postions for covering fire while another member carried a saw or equivlemnt to provide squad cover while the others moved in
  
  
  
  
  
  i am sorry but this show does not do enough testing and alot of the outcomes can be alot differt if they did proper testing

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  21. SonnyPuzikas Posted on May 16 '09 at 10:11 AM

  Someone asked 'why you are revealing the training now, after it being kept secretive for so long?" What we demonstrated is a very small part of the skills and principles- not the training methodologies and specific methods deployed to achieve that. In addition- Russia is different from what was USSR. To describe the training and all that went into it would take a book. A very thick book...

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  22. m1w9c9h0 Posted on May 16 '09 at 10:32 AM

  Ty sonny Puzikas
  
  
  
  All I have to say is this simulation should nevar of been brought to the table I am PFC in the US Army and we where always taought to work as a team and always give covering fire. This mach up is so not right for the two teams being compares to each other is so close but why didnt they have you guys runs drills of two or four men working togher to destroy a target rather one man and why didnt they allow you to use the modern wepons of that country spec ops?
  
  
  
  Can someone answar this for me ty

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  23. Martial_artist_3798 Posted on May 16 '09 at 10:52 AM

  To be perfectly honest I think this was a very evenly matched fight. Ive been in the military for 9 years so me saying that should mean something. For everyone who is disappointed or upset over the outcome remember what sonny himself said "the best laid plans go to crap after the first few seconds of a fight" In real life the spetsnaz could slaughter the green berets or vice versa depending on literally MILLIONS of factors. This simulation took some of those factors and ran with it. Who really knows what would happen? That being said the show is obviously not totally accurate and they do what they can. I enjoy the heck out of it and cant wait for the monks to stomp the other guys. And the simple fact pple from the show comment on here is totally kick azz.

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  24. specialkcl66 Posted on May 16 '09 at 10:59 AM

  hah, so I'm looking up Sonny online, and there's a link to the Russian Combat Academy website (which he founded apparently). But then I click on that link (http://www.russiancombatacademy.com/).
  
  Somehow http://www.russiancombatacademy.com/ became a Russian dating website? What's going on there?

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  25. SonnyPuzikas Posted on May 16 '09 at 11:05 AM

  Very simple, really... No KGB conspiracy to infuse some female agents with rich and influential Americans looking for some fun with pretty Russian girls...
  I moved to Texas. Closed my school in Satasota, FL. Web domain expired. Someone bought that domain. And are using the way they like it... What can I say- democracy...

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  26. GuyDeLance Posted on May 16 '09 at 11:10 AM

  10. specialkcl66 Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:02 AM
  
  Why can't I find anything about E-tool Howard online...
  
  
  
  See http://rlhtribute.com/

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  27. wyleehokie Posted on May 16 '09 at 11:14 AM

  The Spetznaz operator's comment at -3:00 hit the mark. It is the operator, NOT the weapon that makes the difference. The measuring scale used here, IMO, was flawed in many ways. To have the operators usage of the pistols, rifles, and sniper rifles to determine which is better is flawed for that very reason. A better test would have been to mount each firearm in a mount and fire multiple rounds at set targets, then measure the respective shot groups. Immerse each in sand, water, etc. and conduct test firings. Alas, while that would be accurate it would not make for good TV
  
  While I do like the idea of a semi-automatic shotgun like the Spetznaz had; the idea of a spring loaded knife is laughable. If you miss the throat you're screwed. A body hit most anywhere else will not take out the person. Plus you've just lost your knife. I'm sure a trained Spetznaz operator is great with a knife. Combat is not like the movies where a knife throw takes out the Nazi soldier. Go talk to an ER doc and you'll find that MOST knife stabbings do not result in death.

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  28. Sashko81 Posted on May 16 '09 at 11:57 AM

  honestly, for all the Americans still complaining on here about the supperior specifications of their weapons - that's not something to brag about... this means, is that Sonny and Maksim showed better results with old stock Russian weapons, given to them by the studio... which is also a testament to the quality of weapons from back home - they don't fail you under any circumstances...

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  29. TheEJS Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:17 PM

  Thanks for setting the record straight Sonny. While suspected a lot to do with editing, but let anger get the better part of me without actual confirmations of relevant questions (while the Aftermath was rife with, what I considered, non-relevant questions like the use of IBAs with SpecOps). I do apologize for any offense taken.

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  30. specialkcl66 Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:26 PM

  So glad to see Matt Anderson on here. Why doesn't the US incorporate the level of movement that the Spetsnaz does? Did the Green Berets just decided that the benefit is marginal compared to the amount of training, or do you really find it as silly as you argued in the episode?

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  31. HarbingerGunship Posted on May 16 '09 at 2:30 PM

  I agree that the Spetz and even alot of the British SF are better than most of the Americas SF. But, overall the BEST SF in the world would have to be the anti-terrorist Delta squad.
  
  Also, what was the Spetz job? They can't just be attackers. Delta are anti-Terrorist. Seals blow stuff up. Green berets train civilians in warfare. What are the Spetz?

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  32. isael101 Posted on May 16 '09 at 2:31 PM

  nothing but respect? really? you flipped them off in the begging of the show.

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  33. robot678 Posted on May 16 '09 at 2:51 PM

  My biggest complaint about accuracy is that the spetznaz did not use an actual AK-74 in the test, it was an AKM. They honetsly couldnt find an AK-74 to borrow for the show? I doesnt make any sense, but I guess it didn't even matter anyway for the type of test they did.

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  34. SonnyPuzikas Posted on May 16 '09 at 3:52 PM

  As to "nothing but respect"...
  The one finger gesture was given during filming, when director of the episode tried to ramp up the "smack talk" by joking about us... What he got for it was a good natured middle finger. Upon the editors being done with their part, it was cut in such a way that it looked as if I flipped off the GB's when they were walking in... How is that? Are your feelings hurt?

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  35. warner15 Posted on May 16 '09 at 4:10 PM

  My biggest complant is why they gave the americans a pump shotgun and the spetnaz a saiga semiauto(which wasnt even built until the 1990, i thought this was supposed to be an 80s thing, oh well) The Green Berets would have had esy access to many semiauto shotguns, andnow they even have a fullauto one. BS

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  36. Pw3ndU Posted on May 16 '09 at 4:48 PM

  One thing i noticed from this episode, the final result was very close. The green beret lost by 7 kills. Coincedently the ballistic knife killed only 7 times. I also noticed at the end the doctor said that the spetsnaz were trained better. I wouldnt necessarily agree based on the data. Without the ballistic knife they were dead even. So is it safe to say that theyre pretty evenly matched skill wise and that basically the deciding factor was a small weapon that not alot of skill is required to use?

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  37. bettermanthanyou Posted on May 16 '09 at 5:10 PM

  This show's like watching the three stooges. These clowns who are setting up the matches don't have the slightest idea of what they're doing or how to properly use weapons.

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  38. sovetskiy_nindzya Posted on May 16 '09 at 5:53 PM

  ¿ ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ :D sonny u are awesome spetsnaz=#1

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  39. sovetskiy_nindzya Posted on May 16 '09 at 5:56 PM

  Hey sonny what weapons would you have brought to the table if you had a full choice of all the russian weapons=)

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  40. nastynick Posted on May 16 '09 at 6:27 PM

  Spetsnaz are excellent fighters, there is no doubt about that. But me being from America I would say the Green Berets are better. Also many Green Berets are Ranger qualified. It is not necessarily because they are better fighters though. Although there fighting skills are great that is not what makes this unit special. There skill go far beyond fight training & well into the mental aspect of a warrior. And while there training and interaction of other country's are the mainstay of this unit if the Ocation calls for it they can kick butt and smash heads with the best of them. Now my thoughts on the weapons I would rather have the siaga than the mossberg simply because it's simi automatic. I would not care which grenade I got because in a closed environment you could hang it up either way. I would rather have the M9 beretta than the makarov because of accuracy and comfort. I would like to have both the e-tool and the balistic knife. I would rather have the m4 than the ak-74 for the same reason. Now for the simulator I think that it a poor job of accurately depicting the tactics for either side it made them both look like idiots in their tactics. For instants where the Green Berets first entered the building & the spetnaz guy just jumped up & shot 1 of them & then got shot himself he would have not actually done that he would have done it from behind cover. Also where both sides keep going around unsecured corners any decent soldier knows not to do that. But take all of it in stride there is no way to actually tell who would win in a real fight unless they really fight. A computer cannot acurately depict the human thought process. Conclution great demonstrations put on by both sides. They both demonstrated the best that our 2 country's have to offer. God Bless All. GREEN BERETS ALL THE WAY!

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  41. nastynick Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:05 PM

  Spetsnez are great fighters there is no doubt about that. But me being from America I would say the Green Berets are better. And many Green Berets are Ranger qualified. It's not necessarily because they are better fightes though. Although there fighting skill are great that is not what makes this unit special. Their training goes far beyond fighting & well into the mental aspect of a warrior. Although their training & interaction with other country's is their mainstay when the occation calls for it they can kick butt & smash heads with the best of them. Now my thoughts on the weapons. I would rather have the siaga than the mossberg simply because it is semi automatic. I would not care which grenade I got because in a closed environment you could hang it up either way. I would like to have both the e-tool and the balistic knife. I would rather have the M24 than the dragunov because it does range farther. The M24 in trained hands can range out 1000 yards the dragunov in trained hands will range at about 800 yards. I would rather have the M9 than the makarov because of higher magazine capacity & accuracy. I would rather have the M4 than the AK-74 because of accuracy & better sights. Now for the simulator. I think it did a poor job of depicting tactics for either side it made them both look like idiots. For instants where the Green Berets first enter the building & the Spetsnaz guy just jumps up & shoots 1 & then gets shot himself he would not have jumped up like that he would have stayed behind cover. Also where both units keep going around unsecured corners any decent soldier knows not to do that. A computer cannot reproduce or replace the human thought process. But take it all in stride there is no way to actually know who would win in a real fight unless they really fought. Conclution: Both sides did a great job of demonstrating their tactics & weapons. They demonstrated that they where the best of what our 2 contry's have to offer. God bless all. GREEN BERETS ALL

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  42. Stilletto7 Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:26 PM

  Why is it that you display the average height and weight and have the Green Beret 6,1 and Spetsnaz 5,11 and then in the simulation have the Russian towering over the American?

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  43. SemperFiDoOrDie Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:36 PM

  All I have to say is they should have given more respect to he E-tool because that thing was deadly. Also Sonny do you like Texas? Im from North Texas.

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  44. deacon17 Posted on May 16 '09 at 7:44 PM

  I feel that the programmers did not incorporate the concept of a squad, were team work plays a major role. I feel that GB and Spetnaz rely on a team rather than a lone wolf, there should of been a test were teamwork is displayed

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  45. MattAnderson Posted on May 16 '09 at 8:20 PM

  Special, Sashko...thanks for the welcome. I didn't get a chance to do the "aftermath" show as I was working, so I took a look here. I might not have posted, but Sonny was trying to answer people and getting a little attitude for it so I thought I'd come on. Kind of my "aftermath" for the show since I missed the talk. Rest assured most of my answers would have been different than my compatriot on the show. There was a lot of mutual respect on the show, but NONE of that made it into the final edit. Sonny was right on the mark talking about that. They wanted us to trash talk more but all 4 of us "explained" (you can imagine this conversation) that while the other experts/warriors in the show might be knowledgeable, they ARE NOT the real deal. We are not portraying characters, we are the actual soldiers and as such will have our peer group to answer to. I certainly was worried about how we'd come off. Even with all of my sound bites about my respect for the opposing force and my beliefs in our mind set vs theirs, it still came off as a little flippant on our side of the fence. Because I'm a cut up and they often used that stuff instead of more serious points, because that makes for better TV. Like Sonny flipping us off....I watched that and was "WTF, over?" But it was still fun to do and maybe between Sonny and I we can shed some additional light.

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  46. MattAnderson Posted on May 16 '09 at 8:21 PM

  Con't.
  
  As for the movement question from Special. We are products of our training and experience. Special Forces training has been developed over the last 50 plus years. They've looked at techniques from all over the globe and taken "lessons learned" from combat on many continents in multiple conflicts. I understand the Spetnaz mindset on movement and discussed it somewhat with Sonny. I however do not prefer the same techniques. I agree with some of it in principle, just not in practice. For instance when I teach I beat it into peoples head that when they need to reload they need to move, be fluid, take a knee, find cover. At the very least take an oblique step off access as you reload. This will change the enemies sight picture and may mean the difference between getting shot or taking the next shot. That type of thing is, I believe...Sonny can answer to this, in the same mindset as Spetznaz training. However, I do not believe in combat rolling, spinning, or the like. I find it to be wasted movement and a chance to lose target acquisition. Losing your target, even for a moment, can get you killed. Sonny made a very good point on "aftermath" combat is often measured milliseconds. One spin or rolls can cost you those precious milliseconds and put you out of the fight. On the show I come across a little more flippant, again editing is everything AND I am kind of a sarcastic SOB, hence the backwards flipping hatchet joke. But it does echo my thoughts on it. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, but our techniques work for us and we're proving it on the battlefield every day!
  
  But let the armchair commandos feel free to speculate on how much better A is vs. B. As for the folks that really have some interest, I'm sure that between Sonny and I we can try and answer some questions.
  
  Thanks guys.

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  47. ontite Posted on May 16 '09 at 9:24 PM

  purely awesome aftermath. i love how the guys from the show actually comment and still answer questions.

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  48. MattAnderson Posted on May 16 '09 at 9:44 PM

  JHanson....no worries, happy to help clear what I can up about our episode. When I singed up it wasn't put out one way or the other on my input, but I did assume that the show would consult us, we are the "experts" afterall. I was consulted a bit about the episode, but my 2 cents about the weapons while given, was ignored. I assume because they had already laid on the weapons and had everything already worked out and didn't want to change mid stream. From the very first time I saw the weapons outload I said: The E-Tool was stupid and while the Mossberg may be in the arsenal, we ALMOST NEVER use it (unless it's sawed off for breaching) and the Benelli would be a much truer choice. I pointed out in detail the lack of contest in a pump gun vs a semi auto...they use the exact same round for god's sake. But alas, it was not to be. At least we got them to put similar weapons against each other like M24 vs SVD....AK vs M4, but that was only once we got to set and implored the to see reason and not make us look stupid, well....any stupider anyway....

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  49. MattAnderson Posted on May 16 '09 at 9:47 PM

  Con't.
  
  As to the simulation, we had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with that, thank god. They moved poorly and the tactics were abysmal. I know it's just a simulation, but come one....if you're going to spend the money for all that stuff those locations would it kill you to have a decent technical advisor? Hire some former military guys to play the troops. My ABSOLUTE FAVORITE part of the simulation is all the guys in full combat gear, body armor, etc...wearing their extremely protective Berets. Because the Green Beanie is great in the urban environment and I'm sure that the Spetznaz guys in their camo uniforms waiting in the brush would certainly wear their bright red berets, since no one would notice those. LMAO Even better was some of the SF guys had flashes on their berets that were from the 5th SFG(A) (Special Forces Group, Airborne) during Vietnam!!! The ones with the diagonal stripes across it is a flash that was discontinued in the 70's....but not apparently in that specific group of guys...who also carry around E-Tools on their belts, instead of buried in their rucksacks, or more likely back in thier team boxes at the SFOB.

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  50. MattAnderson Posted on May 16 '09 at 9:48 PM

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  Don't be to hard on the "technogeeks" (who said that anyway...what a jerk huh). They had no more to say about the weapons choices than we did. They are hired guns for the show. Plus they are not knowledgable about these weapons so it would be even harder for them to have any input.
  
  I never interacted with any of the other people from the other episodes. I haven't seen that many of them either, and the one I did, Pirate vs Knight, was enough. I felt that was ridiculous. Certainly the simulation was clown shoes. How do you show a test of a morning star completely obliterating a skull with one shot, but in the sim the pirate takes 2 to the face and keeps coming....and I don't think he was even bleeding. Well beyond silly. I also didn't agree with the way the weapons were broken down. Perhaps the outcome was correct, but in my opinion it wouldn't have been because of their "scientific" reasons, but rather the ability of the pirate to out maneuver the knight. But if the knight EVER connected, it was over, period. But what do I know...I'm just an over educated modern knuckle dragger.

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