Deadliest Warrior The Aftermath - Green Beret vs. Spetsnaz

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  1. Rokitrich88 Posted on Jan 9 '10 at 11:32 PM

  Whoever put this show together should do more research on US Special Operations Command, because they called the wrong unit. The Spetnaz are primarily a Direct Action Force, which means they destroy the enemy in Direct Combat. US Special Forces primary mission is Foreign Internal Defense; like training guerilla¿s to fight an oppressive government, or training friendly forces to defend against terrorism (International Drill Sergeants). US Direct Action Units are not Special Forces, and Barry Jacobs even said that at 3:20. There is a difference between Special Forces and Special Operations.

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  2. Nota-chance Posted on Dec 31 '09 at 2:10 AM

  Ok I can't be the only 1 here that noticed that they didn't use the sniper rifle in the final cut right? Also I can't get this off my mind, did the Green Beret that did the night vision testing really impact the testing I mean really, maybe he just got a little excited. Oh and wouldn't the 2 forces be trained a little better than that? it seemed like they were taken out to fast shouldn't they have added in the chance to take cover from fire or explosions??? And I really never noticed the spensnaz doing any of those fancy moves they did in the testing, and yeah also the battle armor, they said that they didn't wear armor only bc it was to heavy and that they were on recon but it seemed in this match up that they knew they were going to face off so why not include armor?? It just seems to me that they left out to many things for this to be a complete testing. But I love the show so keep it up!

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  3. GeneralTJ Posted on Dec 9 '09 at 2:47 AM

  thats bs they payed him to say he didnt wear body armour thts mandatory

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  4. VDV94 Posted on Nov 8 '09 at 8:44 AM

  i may be yong i know my Russian gear
  
  
  
  the M24 is more accurate cuz it is bolt action un like the SVD i would like to have seen the SV98 compared to the M24

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  5. RunnerM4 Posted on Sep 7 '09 at 1:40 PM

  This episode was totally rigged. The Spetsnaz don't stand a chance against the Green Berets. I personally think that the Spetsnaz run+gun combat rolls is effective. But you don't really need a backwards flipping hatchet attack to kill someone.

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  6. deadliestwarriorfan223 Posted on Aug 5 '09 at 1:51 PM

  i think that it was a fair fight and thou im an american and should be mad at this episode i thought that the spetsnaz were cool to i felt bad about what they had to go through in training and that there weapons were cool and pretty devestating (sorry spelling fail lol!) i dont have any bad comments to say i respect green Barrett and the spetsnaz this was a good show and please do not reply in negative comments it will make me sad:( and i would like to meet both guys green berrett and spetsnaz i thought this episode was good and that green berrett and spetsnaz are like neck and neck ( and i am excited that there is going to be a new season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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  7. vikingraider666 Posted on Jul 31 '09 at 3:06 AM

  ya the spetsnaz would win because its Russias best, the green beret is not americas best delta force is. why didnt delta fight. everyone knows delta is the best come on that fight was not fair

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  8. SamuraiCop Posted on Jul 22 '09 at 4:42 PM

  the Speznatz may have betan green berets but they dont stand a chance agianst the Navy Seal's or Delta Force.

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  9. ArmalightA13 Posted on Jul 21 '09 at 8:16 PM

  i hate to change the subject but i have a great idea for a future episode for deadliest warrior, Imperial Army soldier VS Red Army soldier

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  10. Lions_Den Posted on Jul 20 '09 at 10:47 AM

  Surprised and disappointed that the USA lost this one. Given their relative performances in Afghanistan, I thought the USA would win. But they are both elite, so you knew it would be close,either way.
  
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  1--Why a washing machine? That would never come into play. The test generated more shrapnel and less concussive force as a result. Hard to quantify
  
  2--You can't really think the ballistic knife would be a surprise to the Green Beret, can you?
  
  3--The Green Berets don't have a semi automatic shot gun. As much as I recommend a Mossberg for home defense, this seemed a bit off.
  
  4--I'm not sure the Russian side arm was better. Yes, I like the downward release and load, that was awesome. The Russians were more nimble, no doubt about it, but a more "recent" Green Beret may have been more accurate. I can't imagine either Green Beret fairing well for the stomach punch test, but I imagine a current Green Beret would perform as well as the Russian counterpart . This could have changed the outcome. Either way, great show. Let's see season 2!!!

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  11. runawaygun762 Posted on Jul 18 '09 at 5:05 AM

  The realistic outcome of this battle would have been entirely too close to call. Anytime you use small arms or explosive ordnance, your "puncher's chance" goes up astronomically. Much has been said about the difference in training, but I can tell you the level of training the American Special Forces soldiers receive during Special Forces Advanced Urban Combat training is ridiculous. As far as the final battle scene, I watch that strictly for its entertainment value, as they have been pretty far-fetched. As far as the "different missions" argument goes, you have to understand that US Army Special forces have multiple missions. They were initially intended to act as counter-insurgency fighters and as trainers and advisors for Host nation guerilla forces, but they have always had a direct action mission and with the Global War on Terror, that role has expanded greatly. I did find it humorous that the final edit showed Mr Anderson uttering just about every cool guy motivational phrase you'll ever hear at a Blackwater training class or SOF convention. As far as the weapons portrayed, any time you deal with special operations, trying to get a realistic mix of issued weapons is going to be difficult, as they have a bit more leeway than the standard-issue kit we in the "Big Army" roll out with. In an urban setting, you would most likely have seen the American guys stack on a door, breach with the shotgun or det cord if necessary, toss in a M84 stun grenade (Flash bang) and clear the room. It's not as dramatic, but it's a sort of controlled chaos that has worked time and again for us in the real world.

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  12. butler120 Posted on Jul 10 '09 at 9:44 PM

  E-Tool Howard sounds like a bad ass.

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  13. Recon17 Posted on Jul 10 '09 at 5:02 PM

  I would like to see Marine Force Recon VS spetsnaz. I know a Recon Marine and those guys are beats and highly trained

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  14. knight560 Posted on Jul 5 '09 at 6:08 PM

  green beret should have won

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  15. scout_rangers Posted on Jun 28 '09 at 9:09 PM

  I think it was a miss match. spetsnaz are the elite of the elite in the russians army. green beret is not the elite of the elite of the US army. i think it needs to compared with delta force

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  16. FF17Cloud Posted on Jun 25 '09 at 9:26 AM

  GUNDAM SHIRT, which my comment is instantly flagged as gundam sucs now

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  17. marines082085 Posted on Jun 23 '09 at 12:46 AM

  Looks like the US need to get more tough

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  18. Frederick_the_Reckless Posted on Jun 19 '09 at 3:58 PM

  Personally, I had issues with some of the tests not being conducted equally, and all things being tested on a properly level playing field, I honestly think it would have been a complete draw.
  
  
  
  They should have listened to the people brought in to represent their respective sides and provided the actuall equipment used by both special ops teams.
  
  
  
  I can't help but hink that this was not an honest representation of either side. Nonetheless it was still an entertaining episode.

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  19. AdvanceTactics Posted on Jun 16 '09 at 10:33 AM

  I love the show.but i enjoy more midevil warfare than modern because its not just bam your dead it actually requires skill im untrained with a firearm and can still hit targets,i mean if a guy starts shotin and your in the open or even under cover your done.

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  20. knight560 Posted on Jun 15 '09 at 9:17 AM

  lololololololololololololololol

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  21. MichaelDavis78 Posted on Jun 15 '09 at 1:29 AM

  I think they should compare the selection and training processes rather than the weaponry. I carried the shotgun and used it to shoot hinges off of doors in Iraq, but always transitioned to the M4 to clear the house as with the use of a combat sling it was seriously about a flash second operation. Saying that one team wins because they have a better grenade is like saying that a woman would defeat Rashad Evans in a fight if she was armed with a knife and he was limited to using fists. Comparing skill would be a lot better. That being said, I actually like the Spetsnaz but feel that it would have been better to compare them to the SEALS or ARMY Rangers as they seem to have more in common with those types of soldiers rather than force multipliers. I think that ballistic armor and first aid would be a critical thing that was not covered in this debate, either.
  
  
  
  We don't do all of the fancy combat roll stuff because it's been proven that a gymnast can't do a backflip when he's getting shot at (or while wearing 80 pounds of shit), therefore we train to shoot in a style that the human body can still perform while experiencing a large amount of stress. I've seen privates hit more targets at night ranges than the E-5 did at that portion of the test. An E-5 in SF is pretty much like a private, would have rather seen an E-6 with more time under his belt.
  
  
  
  That being said, the current army combatives (martial arts) program was stolen from the Sambo program that Russians have trained with for years and I read about Spetsnaz' pull-up requirements to draw motivation for training my own body, so I don't want to seem biased, just think it could have been a better debate.

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  22. Shane2520 Posted on Jun 14 '09 at 3:10 PM

  Deadliest warrior guys, the green beret wold kill the spetznaz. The spetznaz would have no chance against them. The M4 carbine is more accurate and deadlier than the AK-74. But how can 1 spetznz kill 3 green beret. The green beret has an E-tool, while the spetznaz had nothing. And how can a guy be so accurate with a knife that fires. And by the way the green beret rule!!!!!!!

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  23. NachoJenga Posted on Jun 13 '09 at 8:47 PM

  This is the one episode other than pirate vs. knight that i really didn't accept. Not to sound like i'm against Russia. They problably had better equippment than the Green Beret, but i think that it was a little unfair to take the sniper rifle out of the battle. I dont care if you put it in field to make it a place where sniping is an option. But since the GB had the edge with long distance weapons, taking the sniper out was a huge blow to the GB. They went 2Wins 2Losses 1Tie, but if you take the sniper out, then its 1Win 2Losses and 1Tie. Very against a fair fight by taking a weapon that could change the battle. Very unspirited guy. Thx for listening

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  24. lurch_91 Posted on Jun 12 '09 at 3:45 PM

  i do not think Green Beret vs. Spetsnaz was a good match up. they are trained for two different missions. a better match up would have been Marine Force recon vs. Spetsnaz. Marines are much tougher than some army pricks.

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  25. nobelt_mcdojo Posted on Jun 12 '09 at 10:37 AM

  This show was silly. Do you really think that two special forces teams would actually face off by themselves. There is regular infantry and support for a reason. Again this show proves that its simulator and tests really mean nothing. I am not in SF nor do I claim to be an expert on either force. That being said, during my 5 years with the marines we were told that SF operatives throughout the world would prefer not go head to head with trained combat arms people (marine infantry, Rangers, GB, etc) namely because of the high casualty rate instead they would go after support (me) because compared to the <10~20% of actual combatants, support guys are relatively easy targets. As far the comment about MCCrAP, thats a good way to get your ass kicked by someone that can throw a decent punch.

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  26. MattAnderson Posted on Jun 11 '09 at 12:55 AM

  ""DEANKINDERPosted on Jun 6 '09 at 7:11 PM
  
  Special Forces..... When they first started in the 60's they where better trained. Now you can join the SF right after high school. In the past you had to have been in the Army a min of 6 years and have the rank of E-5.. So lets not compare the "REAL" SF to what they call the "Baby SF". Hell my Mother in combat boots and a shotgun can beat them. If you are going to compare anyone to the Russian SF compare the SEALS, they have maintain their standard.""
  
  Dean....just wanted to offer a little info for everyone. SF actually started in 1952, not the 60's. The training has gotten progressively better through the years. The amount of training and knowledge base a SF soldier of today has is much larger than back in the day. "SF babies" do exist now, technically called 18 Xray's, but they undergo 2-3 years of training before they ever get to an SF Group...AND there was an SF baby program in the 60's and 70's. I've known several Vietnam SF vets that came in on the baby program. The ones now go through A LOT of training, become Infantry qualified first, most never make it through the training, and more than a few are in combat overseas now. The SEALS have ALWAYS had the ability to enlist into their ranks, doesn't mean they'll make it through training. ALL SF have to go through the selection course before they even get a chance to go through the SFQC. There's a reason ARMY SF were the first military units deployed in BOTH A-Stan & Iraq and continue to conduct the majority of SOF operations.

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  27. TimGar2 Posted on Jun 10 '09 at 10:40 AM

  I had the oppurtunity to spend 4 days w Sonny in 2005. And I can tell u his skills are the best i've seen. He's an all around gifted athlete w/ tremendous strength and ability.
  
  The only flaw that the Ak might have is the shorter sight radius. I wonder if tunnel vision had any effect on the placement of the rear sight on the AK?
  
  In any case Lucky for us he's in the USA for good. God Bless you my American Friend!!! GREEN BERETS ALL THE WAY!

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  28. Yerkan Posted on Jun 9 '09 at 3:50 PM

  this episode was so crappy cuz the berets would have ownd the spetsnaz they didnt even use snipers and the last guy killed 3 people.

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  29. Psychicman Posted on Jun 8 '09 at 10:07 AM

  At least the show covered the issue of dirt in the M4 and AK47 in "IRA vs. Taliban".
  
  And accuracy in a pistol is important as well as reliability.

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  30. RocketWrestler10 Posted on Jun 7 '09 at 8:43 PM

  in Russia they dont have any groups like aclu to make a fuss about brutality of military training, this is why the Spetznaz are so tough, their training is brutal. i think a better comparison would be SEALs v. Spetznaz, thatd be a better matchup i think those 2 are more similar. both of those are used for infiltration, counter terrorism, search and destroy etc

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  31. CodyGoetting Posted on Jun 7 '09 at 2:29 PM

  How can the last member of the spetsnaz squad take down half of the green berets, with just his knife

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  32. Sentinel2592 Posted on Jun 7 '09 at 11:55 AM

  Also, if they did multiple test that didn't make it on air, than would they have realized that the Green Beret doing the pistol test was NOT the most accurate Green Beret with a pistol and should have brought in another former GB to the test and get an accurate result on the M9. No offense to the GB i no and accept you could kick my a** any day in a fight or fire fight. i have nothing but respect you and your work

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  33. CodyGoetting Posted on Jun 7 '09 at 9:37 AM

  How can 1 spetsnaz kill half of the green beret squad.

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  34. warrior20 Posted on Jun 7 '09 at 7:13 AM

  When is the next season.And who will be put up against.

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  35. Gomphe Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 10:52 PM

  Of all the episodes I've seen thus far, I would have to say that this episode is perhaps one of the more bias of the series. Allow me to explain. In most of the past episodes, victory was usually determined by the warrior who had the most lethal weapon. In fact, the lethality of the weapon was measured in two categories: accuracy and amount damage done.
  
  
  
  Having said that, in today's modern warfare, any high powered firearm can be just as equally lethal; it just boils down to a matter of weapon preference. In short, the Green Berets can easily kill with the Spetsnaz's weapons of choice just as they can kill with the Green Berets weapons of choice. So, in this episode, weapon comparisons should really not be a determining factor. Should they be taken into consideration? Of course, but it should not be the sole determination for the final outcome. Instead, the final outcome of this episode should have been based upon the warrior's training, physical conditioning, and tactics.
  
  
  
  Thus, after watching this episode, I would have to conclude that the Spetsnaz obviously were better conditioned both physically and mentally; but the Green Berets had superior tactics training. So, IMHO, I would have to say that the Green Berets would the better edge in an encounter with the Spetsnaz simply because tactics will always prevail over physical strength; especially since past episodes would support this hypothesis. The only way the Spetsnaz could had won this encounter is if they were to have a close quarter knife fight with the Green Berets.

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  36. Sentinel2592 Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 8:44 PM

  Did everyone else forget about the long range weapons!? In the test the Green Beret's M40A3 sniper rifle gained the edge over the Spetsnaz Dragunov SVD sniper rifle, but the long range weapons weren't showed or used in the battle simulation. Did you just forget to film that part on TV or accidentily leave that part out because without a doubt the Green Berets should have picked off one or two of Spetsnaz.

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  37. DEANKINDER Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 8:25 PM

  I can't beleive they used this guy to speak for SF... First of all no one knows him in the SF community and second, of all the guys retired from SF this guy... They realy sisn't check this guys resume.... He was in a B-TEAM... What a joke.....

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  38. DEANKINDER Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 7:11 PM

  Special Forces (Green Berets) have changed allot over the years. When they first started in the 60's they where better trained. Now you can join the SF right after high school. In the past you had to have been in the Army a min of 6 years and have the rank of E-5.. So lets not compare the "REAL" SF to what they call the "Baby SF". Hell my Mother in combat boots and a shotgun can beat them. If you are going to compare anyone to the Russian SF compare the SEALS, they have maintain thier standard.

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  39. hockeymarine09 Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 6:15 PM

  when the hoo aahs are fighting even urban warfare they wear flak jakets and kevlor helmets and all the goodies that come along neck gaurd groin protector and granted the red used his knife already and what about the bayonet they can be fixed to the GB m4a1? think outside the box even myself as a young pfc in the USMC knows this in sted of usign the rifle they should have used our S.A.W. and the part when the red jumped up and used his side arm thought glass and then turned and made a second kil the hoo aah would have had a kill shot to the face on the red already and i know they have a hand to hand combat just like we have mc.m.a.p. in the marines well im out

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  40. wildheart198 Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 6:13 PM

  i think the green barret should have won because if one other barret had lived he could have poped in there and blown his head off

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  41. WILLIS60 Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 5:55 PM

  They should of used the Marine Corps Recon i think they are way better than the Green Beret and they would of beaten the Russians

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  42. Lamb_of_God Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 5:51 PM

  Green Berets are trained using most if not all of the weapons on the modern battle field. Especially the AK family (74, 47) if the were out gunned the could just pick up there enemies gun and use it against them. I don't agree with the outcome

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  43. Sunshine78 Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 5:37 PM

  Why when you compare weapons you do not test the two you are comparing with the same testing material?

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  44. mstg95 Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 5:27 PM

  In all the conversation ive heard there is one important factor that has been mentioned but neglected over and over. An ODA wold never be assigned the task of taking out a spetsnaz unit as a primary mission an assignment in of that nature would only result in as a tasking in line with their primarry mission to which is to train our allies to conduct warfare. If an ODA was ever given the tasking to attack a spetsnaz unit they would bring with them the allied unit that they are training swelling their ranks. History has proven in many cases training can only compensate so much when raw manpower comes into play. This was an interesting match up but one that was ill thought out as far as matching to alike opponents as far as mission set goes. Spetsnaz are tough and fierce and i would want them with me in a knock down drag out fight but for everyday missions i would rather have SF with me because of their ability to think "outside the box" brutality can only keep you alive for so long but as far as survival goes the human ability to think and reason is far better than any repetative toughening training.

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  45. mcstatler Posted on Jun 6 '09 at 5:12 PM

  for some reason spike has decided to tip the balance in favor of the the russians. For example, the russian projectile knife....after research i found out that this was not a safe weapon, that at times it would discharge into the russian warriors arm pit causing serious damage, furthermore it was inaccurate and unpredictable. As it turns out the russians actually discontinued this weapon and use a shovel. Sound familiar! the russians thought the shovel was better and safer then the projectile weapon that spike ruled in favor of.....dont get me wrong, i think russians are bad a$$ but the americans should have won this one!!!

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  46. jonathonnohtanoj Posted on Jun 4 '09 at 5:39 PM

  All right. Awesome show. There is one problem. On the computer simulations, you test 1000 battles, which is a good idea. The thing you don't do is measure accuracy,power,force,perception,ect. This kind of stuff changes with every warrior. You only measure one or two people's power and stuff. And guns may misfire.That means in any fight with a gun, the results may change in real life. You shouldn't use guns.This goes for all the shows you do.Besides Apachi,Gladiator,Samuri,Viking,Ninja,Spartan,Pirate,Knight,Mafia,Yakuza,Green Beret,Shaolin Monk,Maori,Taliban,and IRA, you should do Eskimos, Navy, Crazy Horse, Hung-Wu, Natzis, and Moctezuma.And Hannibal.

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  47. thelordofthenerds Posted on Jun 3 '09 at 5:23 PM

  So, I don't know what use posting a comment is after the aftermath has already bin posted, but here it goes. My issue that i had with the M4 vs the AK-74 was taking into account each weapon's ammunition. The M4 would have the advantage because its 5.56 x 45 mm NATO round generally causes more damage to flesh than the AK-74's 5.45 x 39 mm round. But by all means, don't take my word for it. Their are plenty of scientists, including one named Martin L. Fackler, who was a pioneer in the field of terminal ballistics, that have repeatedly proven my point. There is a lot of gruesome science behind it, but on a basic level, the Russian military saw the effectiveness of the 5.56 x 45 mm NATO round, and tried to copy it. Although the round is a major improvement over the 7.62 x 39 mm bullet that the AK-47 used, it is still the cheap knock-off equivalent of western ballistics.
  
  
  
  Because the battle was so close, I think that this crucial factor that was ignored may change the outcome into the Green Beret winning.

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  48. Ertanin Posted on Jun 3 '09 at 2:07 PM

  It is quite fun to sit and read comments like "I still think that the Green Berets are better because they are American and so am I"
  
  
  
  Personally.. I think the British SAS is the best in the world.. because I am English. So there you go.. based on that logic, I win.

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  49. Shamrock59 Posted on Jun 3 '09 at 2:02 PM

  ir doenst seem liek fighting styles make a diference, only weapons.

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  50. fomer-black-dagger157 Posted on Jun 3 '09 at 8:04 AM

  waht the @&$% why cant the americans get a grip and kick ther @$$ and maxgrieger get a new picture dumb @$$

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