Yakuza vs. Mafia

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  1. NINJA_FTW Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:02 PM

  "the mafia have a code of silence"...and thats y there r so many based on true story gangster movies...tommy + shotty = FTW...yakuza is cooler though

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  2. dragon9484 Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:03 PM

  Good job Mafia I thought for sure the Yakuza would win because of the displine factor but I guess shear force wins over tactics in the end.

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  3. ThisIX Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:07 PM

  Weapons seemed misrepresented this week. You don't bring an ice pick into combat; you sleeve it, pull your mark in close, and keep him off his guard right up to the moment you end his life.
  
  And I can't remember reading or hearing about any Yakuza that intended to live for a long time who used nunchaku or sai.
  
  It seems like in a fight where both sides are sporting long-range automatic weapons, the margins should have been closer.
  
  Off-topic: anyone else feel like this is building up to a "U.S. Marine vs. Iraqi Insurgent" match?

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  4. dragon9484 Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:08 PM

  I do have one question though what happened to the cocktail in the begining they lit one but it magically disappeared

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  5. geo8x6 Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:09 PM

  I'm not sure where they got that the shotgun was a better weapon than the P38. Shotgun should be a close range weapon, not midrange. And in hand to hand combat, I really don't think the Mafia could have a chance against the Yakuza.

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  6. ThisIX Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:11 PM

  If you're talking about the Simulation (which you shouldn't), the Yakuza saw the Mafia members trying to light the cocktail, and they opened (the Yakuza) opened fire.

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  7. spikerehab Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:12 PM

  I don't understand why they didn't use the samurai sword against the baseball bat. i think they should of went with the brast knuckles vs the nunchucks and the baseball bat vs the samuraisword. i like the show but i think they reallly need help when match weapons.

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  8. shen2187 Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:16 PM

  no lame stride "homomercials"? Nice.... This episode should be interesting.

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  9. NINJA_FTW Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:18 PM

  NO SWORD 4 THE YAKUZA....WTF, WTF(i had 2 type that twice)...bat vs sword...WHAT WOULD U PICK???...aye, bada bing, ohhhh, spaghetti, sopranos...thats my italian impression...

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  10. aicys7 Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:20 PM

  this show is just CRAPPPPPP. its a biased opinion, based on these so called "experts." has anyone but me noticed how the weapons are conveniently selected? i mean an ice pick really? why dont you just show up with an damn pencil while youre at it. what happened to all the katanas in the background? isnt that one of the most notorious weapons that made yakuza who they are? wouldnt you rather use a bat versus a short sword instead? they really need to factor all weapons in and all fighting skills, cause after the knight pirate episode, this one just did for me... the show isnt even worth watching anymore. i think this episode should have been a draw or somewhat closer in scoring.

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  11. HarbingerGunship Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:29 PM

  Yes, 3-2!
  
  Mafia totally won this. Better long range, better guns, better men.
  
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  When the mafia used the bat on the balistic jel, the jel was already busted by the yakuza. This would definatly disturb the data, was this data used at all?
  
  
  
  Why didn't the mafia use thier pistols? Theirs were much better than the Yakuza and just as accurate?
  
  
  
  I also believe that some mafia gangs wore light, bullet-proof vest, why wasn't this used?

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  12. The_Monocle Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:31 PM

  I was surprised when the sword was not used as a weapon for the yakuza, It was shown multiple times but never used. What's up with that?

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  13. Warmaster-Party Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:39 PM

  What the hell no katana for the Yakuza? That's lame. And where the hell did those little knifes come from that helped the Mafia?

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  14. Bogus41 Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:48 PM

  Sword?... Dont bring a sword to a gunfight.

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  15. 04ed04 Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:49 PM

  did they not play the test with the sawnoff shotty and walther?

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  16. massive-nuts Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:52 PM

  I honestly thought the Yakuza was going to win and while I am of full Sicilian decent I was just being honest with myself. I believe the Mafia won fairly because I found the Yakuza to be too flashly. The Mafia was aggressive in all the right ways. Even as I watched I began to think the Mafia was showing themselves to have a more boiled down hit'em hard not fancy approach. Which was what I had expected from the Yakuza. I think these guys truly try to give it to whom they think is the stronger 'warriors'. By the way, 'Deadliest Warrior'? More like 'Notorious Murders Fighting Each Other'.

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  17. regeice Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:52 PM

  Wow I knew the Yakuza were going to get screwed this show is all about power power power! Just because you hand someone a weapon that makes them a warrior? What about skill and technique does that count for anything in this show? The mafia were nothing but a bunch of Italian guys with guns not warriors.What the hell ever happend to brain over brawn? I mean the final battle came down to a trained disiplined yakuza wielding two sai against a prick with an ice pick, I smell bs. And by the way I thought the edge was given too the sai over the ice pick, or maybe it's not that cut and dry. Never the less this episode really ticked me off.

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  18. Detective-Lance Posted on May 5 '09 at 11:53 PM

  Why wasn't the martial arts technique of the Yakuza factored into this match? I have more than just a couple friends who practice martial arts, and they're all a damn sight better than my simple street style. I'm lucky to ever win any kind of sparring match, let alone a fight where my unpolished skill is what's deciding if I live or die.
  
  Also, I saw several weapons on both sides that weren't even included in the testing. Katana, brass knuckles, ACTUAL explosives on both sides (mafia and yakuza both had access to tnt/ military-class explosives), even the S&W revolver which was featured prominently in the show but not tested. The switchblade was talked about, not tested, but made it into the final match. What....the...hell?
  
  All in all, it's a nice matchup and very close, but so many glaring inconsistencies and missing factors it makes my hangover come back.

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  19. movieprop Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:01 AM

  So Spike TV is really going to go on a limb and suggest that all the years of martial arts training and discipline of the Yakuza will be no match in a hand to hand combat with mafia thugs. It's great to hear that the martial arts is just flashy and pretty to look at. Beautiful... this show is both ridiculous and ridiculing. 1 viewer lost.

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  20. Norppa Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:07 AM

  I cant even watch this :E whats up whit spikes vods... sucks not to have sounds on the clips like aftermath :E anyone else having similar problems?

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  21. djhart1018 Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:07 AM

  i just have a tiny queston if there going to use ninjas and yakuza why do they skip the kriss i think this wepon alone for close range would win since the meatal itself is posion and a tiny scratch is more than fatal. all the great powers used it nijas samuria yakuza and then there was sialat well its a fighting style that many used and when tey were invaded with people with guns and they had none this wepon alone held the town for many a months so why arnt they picking this wepon.

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  22. aznfamilyguy Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:17 AM

  wtf how come the yaks didnt use the katana whats up with that sword vs bat whos going to win yaks should have done bettter then that but hats off to the moffia i was pulling for the yak over maffia but i guess some one paid of the spike ppl lol

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  23. Osirak Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:24 AM

  its weird, it doesnt load the video for me.... it goes 2 seconds then stops....

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  24. Raptr2 Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:33 AM

  same here, i cant load the video and im going insane.

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  25. dragon9484 Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:33 AM

  Where did the 5 vs 5 come from great idea especially in this type of scenario but why not use it in all the episodes? Is it something new that was brought into the software or was this a one time deal? I feel that this makes for a fairer fight I do not know of many warriors that went into fight in a 1 vs 1 granted there where a few crazy SOBs that I am sure would try one vs one but not many especially the ones we have seen up to date the only one I could even see trying it would be the ninja but even that is unlikely.

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  26. joejackson245 Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:50 AM

  What it came down to was the tommy was/is a superior submachine gun to the sten. Even more simply the 45 ACP has the greater stopping power over the 9mm which is used in the sten smg and walter pistol. Besides firepower; hand to hand is a toss up. Diegos FTW.

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  27. massive-nuts Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:53 AM

  Also, the part where they measure the mid range weapons (shotgun vs p38) isn't here.

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  28. mengde Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:55 AM

  Truthfully to say yea the tommy gun is better and the sawed off shot gun but if fighting technique was involved along with a more aray of other weapons (katana) it also shows the lack of effort actually put into this computer system i mean the sawed off shot gun vs an accurate pistol the accuracy should be acounted for bease a mid to long range that shot gun aint as affectve. also the nunchuks were move diverse easier to used it could swing multiple attacks and the bat good for mobbing old ladies, seriously a pick common that should have gotton no kills the Sai way long and could disarm that pencil in no time. All i am tryi ng to say is that that computer is crap i could see one of the yakuza guys was gettin pissed at one of the mafia dude and about to kll him on the show. if this were a real fight the mafia would get thier asses handed to them.

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  29. DarthRevan Posted on May 6 '09 at 12:57 AM

  This was one of the better episodes because it was an even matchup. It was a toss up but I was hoping for Yakuza after al the testing was done. I did like the 5 vs. 5 also. And someone else brought up the katana...they even showed them handeing it yet it wasn't tested. The outcome would have been much different if the katana was used instead of the nun-chuks (Sorry don't remember how to spell it if I spelled it wrong). We all knew that the Mafia would win in the firepower area, but I in real life, if it came down to one on one with no firearms (Like it did in the of the show) then a Yakuza gang member would wipe the floor with a Mafia gangster. Great show, big fan, but I feel a little dissapointed (Not as much as me being enraged about the ninja getting beaten by a damn spartan!). But what are ya gonna do? Great show...can wait for the next episode.

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  30. hurlman808 Posted on May 6 '09 at 1:20 AM

  First of all, I must agree that the katana was not included in the weapons arsenal for the Yakuza. And secondly, an ice pick? Third, something the experts forgot about using the nunchaku is the opportunity to choke an opponent out with the chain or rope that ties the weapon together. I'm not trying to disregard the violence the Mafia can inflict, but I do feel the Yakuza were extremely misrepresented.

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  31. Tamashii7 Posted on May 6 '09 at 1:30 AM

  I thought this episode would be really boring switching to guns, but surprisingly, this was one of my favorites. I found the simulation of this episode to be the most entertaining so far maybe because of the change of scenery or because there were more than two people fighting. The Mafia team made the episode really good too. Both of them were complete badasses and made the episode really funny. The younger one really pissed off that one guy from the Yakuza team, looked like things were about to get out of hand...By the way, didn't the last surviving Mafia member in the simulation looked almost exactly like the younger guy on the Mafia team?
  
  
  
  I have to say I wasn't the least bit surprised that the Mafia won, however I was surprised the match wasn't more one sided. When I first saw the shotgun among the mafia's equipment I was like "Holy shit! Mafia FTW" I laughed my ass off after the Yakuza shot their little pistol and the Mafia guy whips out this big ass shotgun. Though I have to admit, the mafia won purely from better equipment. I think that the Yakuza were overall more skilled and if the fight was all close quarters weapons, the Yakuza would have had the Mafia beat.
  
  
  
  Next week's Green Beret vs Spetsnaz and it's a complete toss up for me. BTW, is the Deadliest Warrior crew having a matchup prepared for the SEALS?

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  32. dc61385 Posted on May 6 '09 at 1:48 AM

  One thing that I don't think was factored (please correct me if I am wrong) if the effective distance of the sub-machine guns. The British Sten has a much greater effective distance than the Thompson. In addition the Thompson is comparatively heavier than the British Sten, meaning in a quick-draw, the Sten would beat out the Thompson.
  
  I also feel like some of the weapon choices were unusual (as stated by some). Yakuza aren't normally depicted as carry a sai, but you would see them more with a tanto (short dagger). As with Mafia, what happened to the switchblade? Instead of choosing weapons that can "level" a playing field (which I feel this episode did) why not choose weapons that really truly represents the fighters?

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  33. Lybra1022 Posted on May 6 '09 at 1:53 AM

  Finally they start doing good match-ups. No more of this "Complete opposites! Power vs. Speed!" bullshit. It's really something they should have done from the start. Pairing off similar warriors. Apache vs. Ninja, Samurai vs. Knight, and soforth. Now they just need to work on weapon selection and categorization. Pirate vs. Knight was the hugest offender in this field, in my opinion. I can forgive the three black powder weapons because that's only logical, but they weren't categorized properly.
  Overall, I was pleased with the results. Despite the fact that the so-called science of the show is absolute bunk. Really, half of the show is "Hee hee hee watch this ballistic gel dummy/pig carcass get explodered!" and the other half is the dramatization. They don't need the doctor there 80% of the time just to tell us the dummy that got 7 bullets sprayed into him or his brains bludgeoned out isn't gonna make it. Its just more padding for the show. Same with the constant smack-talk the experts throw at each other after every single freaking test, the 300 narrator, and the "Sophisticated computer simulation software" that they conveniently never tell us anything about, but I digress as I am ranting and getting off-track.
  In conclusion, KEEP MATCHING UP ALIKE WARRIORS and you'll have a more interesting show. I look forward to Green Berets vs Spetznas

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  34. zkazama Posted on May 6 '09 at 1:56 AM

  What's up, I'm Zero Kazama, the Yakuza weapons dude, and the network will probably hate me for posting this. Being as unbiased as possible, here's my 2 cents - 1)The sais are defensive weapons first, and if I'm being told that the icepick to the head is deadly, then give me a skull and not a torso. 2)Nunchakus didn't hit as hard as the bat....yeah no sh*t, they're not used like that, where the hell is SKILL taken into account? Anyone that can wield chucks with accuracy probably has enough martial skill to take out a guy with a bat with his bare hands. 3)The sawed off shotgun did more damage at close range but they forget to mention it's useless after a certain distance, and after 2 shots, you're a sitting duck. 4)Me and my senior have 20+ yrs martial arts training, and so do most real Yakuza - don't think they programmed that correctly, do you? 5)WTF with the weapons selection to begin with.
  
  btw, on the Spartans vs Ninja, they forget to mention that Spartans didn't wear armor - their c*cks were literally hangin' out, and ninjas never fight in an open battle field. Ah well, it's TV.

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  35. DarthRevan Posted on May 6 '09 at 2:06 AM

  Hey zkazama, I completely agree with you. But like you said, its TV, what can ya do? lol. (And Im still pissed off that a spartan beat a ninja...god i cant get over that s***!)

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  36. jjrr85 Posted on May 6 '09 at 2:29 AM

  Yes I can't watch it either. I can just see the initial advertisement and nothing after that. Also, the pages with the additional comments on blood on the sand don't show up. Nothing seems to be working here. Anyway, after the last two episodes I wasn't too eager to watch it and judging by other people's comments this was BS as well. So long Spike.

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  37. Lybra1022 Posted on May 6 '09 at 2:31 AM

  I see where you're coming from Darth, but a lot of peoples' gripes with the ninja's loss comes down to this: The show is called
  "Deadliest Warrior", not "Deadliest Assassin".

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  38. Narner Posted on May 6 '09 at 2:37 AM

  I don't get caught up in the whole karate thing. I have known street fighters that have beat the snot out of karate dudes and boxers too and wrestlers. I would be willing to bet that any gangster back then had been to and maybe participated in illegal bare knuckle no holds bared boxing matches. If you take a bare knuckle boxer that is also a street fighter he could stand up to any karate guy. The mafioso was at least an experienced street fighter. I just think people should get off this thing that asians are the only martial artists.

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  39. EmperorTroooper Posted on May 6 '09 at 2:38 AM

  Well, after viewing this episode I come to the same conclusion as I do with all episodes thus far. For what we can do with theory of "what would happen," these guys don't do a bad job. Looking at the show from an unbiased stand point as someone who just wants to learn more about combat, I like this show. Many people complain about the results and the "bias" of those in charge of the show. I also disagree with some of their representations and interpretation of data gathered, but I agree with them on other points as well. I do think for the first time though, I do believe SOME, not all, of the tests were not equal. The two I ponder over are the long range multiple target test (Thompson/Sten) and the close quarters test (Nunchuck/BaseballBat). In both cases, the tests were not equal. The Thompson had 6 targets as opposed to the Sten's 4, and the baseball bat struck a pig in the bask, while the nunchuck struck a gel target in the head. But, I do agree with their judgment on the remainder of the weaponry, and I like the idea of having multiple opponents per side. Good job Spike as far as I'm concerned.

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  40. Sir_Hackalot Posted on May 6 '09 at 2:51 AM

  Everyone just Bitches about what they dont Like. Give the guys a break.
  
  I think Bat vs Sword Wouldnt work
  
  because sword would have to be a total Surprise attack.
  
  If yakuza pull out a sword
  
  mafia would pull out their gun
  
  And you dont bring a knife to GunFight
  
  I wonder if the yakuza Guy and that Mafia Guy really wanted to see who was the Deadliest Warrior in the Studio

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  41. NYbossman82 Posted on May 6 '09 at 3:05 AM

  mafia all the way but you guys need to pick some better weapons for each sides shotgun to that little german gun overkill, bat to some dumb nunchucks come on i love this show but i sorry but you guys have to pick some better weapons for each show but still great show still

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  42. AmokBR Posted on May 6 '09 at 3:10 AM

  The video keeps freezing on me! Been happening since the pirate episode. Anyone experiencing the same thing?

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  43. scoobysport Posted on May 6 '09 at 3:48 AM

  Not being able to watch :S
  
  
  
  Im having trouble watching this, just as with the pirate vs knight, the video doesn't load. Anybody know how to solve this?

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  44. Mythos011 Posted on May 6 '09 at 3:57 AM

  comon the meatball spagetti swiwelling italian wins in CQC against martial artist with two defensive and offensive weapons? At least make the end simulation that makes sense...

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  45. License-To-Grill Posted on May 6 '09 at 3:59 AM

  I think I agree with e M.D. guy....

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  46. Limplex Posted on May 6 '09 at 4:06 AM

  Hey everyone...I wouldn't be surprised because the mafia are a type of clan who work every day...they get their money, hijack vehicles and take out people who they don't want around.

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  47. YellowFlash Posted on May 6 '09 at 4:22 AM

  This episode seems to be 5 minutes shorter than the others

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  48. Sheepseh Posted on May 6 '09 at 4:37 AM

  How do you get the player to work?

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  49. lostagent Posted on May 6 '09 at 5:21 AM

  Another disappointing one. I used to look forward to the next episode (after watching the first one that is.). Now it is a pain to watch this show . I will give this programme a miss from now on. Total waste of time. I wonder if the 'experts' are actual experts of the arts of fighting. BOO! Id rather watch national geographic's ancient warriors instead.

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  50. hawksays Posted on May 6 '09 at 5:29 AM

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