Green Beret vs. Spetsnaz

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  1. mapexdrummer Posted on Feb 6 '10 at 10:16 PM

  I think the outcome was bullshit. I'm mostly biased towards the SF, because my very close uncle is a Sgt. Mjr. in the United States Special Forces. He's a sniper, as well. I think that the equipment can vary, and also I believe that if a squad v. squad battle did occur, it'd come down to each individual person. There's just something about a nerd and a computer telling me who would win a fight that I don't like. Sure, some things are obvious number-wise, but still. I read a comment with someone talking about video games, 1)Grow Up. 2)Video games don't prove anything with "who's better". That has always annoyed me. The Spetsnaz are very skilled, I'm not saying they aren't. Another thing, I think the "edges" are poorly chosen sometimes. The Saigan is better because it's semi-auto, we have semi-auto shotguns, too! I was just waiting for the Drag. to win for that reason as well. And that little knife....c'mon! If you missed your shot in a knife-knife fight, your guts would be on your nice Russian boots before you'd have the time to react.
  
  
  
  It'd be one close match up, and it would depend alot on the situations and conditions. All the battles on this show really would. All-in-all though, I'd place my money...no...life that the US would win.

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  2. Hehehe555 Posted on Feb 3 '10 at 6:33 PM

  nobody cause nobody fired off a single shot.

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  3. saquib_333 Posted on Jan 30 '10 at 7:46 AM

  Factors influencing the psychology of the warfare should be considered:
  
  1. The U.S perspective of warfare emphasizes on winning the battle with the use of most advanced technology and tactics, sacrifice of life for country is not the current mind set of their armies.
  2. Most U.S armies believe that the war in Iraq and Afghanistan has little significance with the national security
  3. The Taliban and Iraq fighters on the other hand are mentally prepared for suicide. They're view of whole life is structured in this way. This makes them very scary.
  
  U.S may have the technological and tactical advantages but they are far behind the Taliban in terms of war psychology.

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  4. wwetitle818 Posted on Jan 29 '10 at 11:01 AM

  this is rigged. i mean, who kicked whos ass in the cold war?

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  5. gubme Posted on Jan 28 '10 at 7:05 PM

  I love the beginning, when they saying who will win.
  " They soft, they weak"
  "We bring a hell of a lot to the table, they're not taught to think like we do."

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  6. darkmyth91 Posted on Jan 27 '10 at 2:44 PM

  yes whatever!!! its a damn tv show, I can care less about who owend who!

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  7. djphill911 Posted on Jan 26 '10 at 7:27 PM

  ok all i could say was we owned you guys so dont say shit o and u now what darkmyth91 i played modern war fare 2 and killed america. o and SAS suck!

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  8. darkmyth91 Posted on Jan 22 '10 at 12:54 PM

  Haha After i watched this I went and played MGS3 and Murderded hundreds of speznaz

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  9. top-dog82 Posted on Jan 19 '10 at 3:04 PM

  if its spetznaz against green beret i'd go for the russians, but u put them against SEALS or the SAS and and the spetznaz would be gonners, thats my opinion anyway fella's,

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  10. MR.B187 Posted on Jan 13 '10 at 1:43 PM

  "We knocked the Taliban down in months." BULLSHIT! If they did, the Taliban would've given up and our soldiers would be home long before now. And we are STILL fighting them today!

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  11. iSEAL-HOOYAH Posted on Jan 12 '10 at 1:22 PM

  mann...bumpp spetsnaz....dnt get me wronq spetsnaz is freakin awesome but im an american and rep america till idie...even thouqh im not goin into green berets...HOOYAH!!!!!! ALL DAY...

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  12. ArtoSek Posted on Jan 9 '10 at 10:10 PM

  Spetsnaz are fuckin awsome.

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  13. XxCarbinexX Posted on Jan 8 '10 at 5:11 PM

  What doesn't make sense is it's about skill not about weaponry. The Spetsnaz are a higher degree of special forces. They should have had them fight Delta Force or S.A.S because all of them are on par with each other. Also Special Forces are repeatedly yelled at in training to check corners and in this simulation the green berets would just walk straight out and get shot. And is it just me or during pistol testing the makarov only had 8 shots yet he shot more than that without reloading. So in all this was a pretty uneven fight, don't get me wrong Spetsnaz are kick ass but Green Berets all the way.

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  14. dubcee Posted on Jan 7 '10 at 10:51 PM

  pin tha spetsnaz against a navy seal and tha seal is gonna dominate evry tyme. spetsnaz wont even kno a seal is there til his throat is cut 9 tymes.

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  15. ivan745 Posted on Jan 6 '10 at 10:36 PM

  another thing that is stupid is the M24 has a range of 875 yds and 5 round per clip the SVD dragonov has a range of 1312 yds and 10 rounds per clip clearly the person with the SVD can take out the person with a M24 way further before the M24 can get in range...the SVD has the edge...another thing anyone can c that its rigged or just the russian sniper closed his eyes wen he shot...the range wasn't even 300yds thats B.S...even if the sniper rifle is not well acurate... at that range the bullet wont even have time to be effected by the in-accuraties of the rifle...anyone with any weapon skills know's its either rigged or he is blind...

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  16. unknown99 Posted on Jan 5 '10 at 9:32 AM

  YA SPESNAZ!
  
  
  
  thats all i have to say on this one. and does anyone know what the spesnaz leader said after he knifed the american guy? i think it was something to the effect of "don't get up" but i need to know! please!

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  17. MajZolyar Posted on Jan 3 '10 at 9:49 PM

  It serves the Americans right, they are too cocky. Always have been, always will be. Green Beret will always fail compared to the might of the Russian army!
  Yeah, Spetsnaz!

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  18. ivan745 Posted on Jan 2 '10 at 5:19 AM

  wat people dont understand is that spetsnaz is not just one branch...in spetsnaz there are many diffrent branchs...VDV,GRU,Vitaz,vimpel,alpha,34th devision werewolf,and others its not just one they are all elite speialized units...they just all go under the same category...

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  19. Ian3H Posted on Dec 31 '09 at 1:13 PM

  the stupid part was just because the makarov beat the berreta in the test, in the simulation they made the green beret miss him when the spetsnaz guy was running down the hallway. He should have easily been able to hit him. But other than that it was a great episode.

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  20. KingCaptinJackSparro Posted on Dec 31 '09 at 2:05 AM

  even though i'm an american and i'm mad that we lost but only seven kill still means that were still up there with the best of the best of the best. The real main reason we lost was the FUCKING e-tool, it's not a real weapon so why did they use it? Somebody please i'm on my knee's typing this why did they use the damn shovle.
  
  
  
  P.S. Who do you people think would win between (in a 5 on 5) the NAZIES v.s. the VEITCONG (one officer each by the way)

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  21. MR.B187 Posted on Dec 29 '09 at 6:49 PM

  I don't think the M24 or the Dragunov sniper rifles should've gotten the edge. They both shot their enemies in the head. Does it really matter how off the bullet is? But hey, a head shot's a head shot in my opinion. You can't survive a round to the head.

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  22. mellybean Posted on Dec 28 '09 at 10:24 AM

  Some of these comments are so lame guys, c'mon. First of all... the idea behind the show is to pair up warriors from history and at the start of the episode the announcer clearly states that this is a match up of cold war era squads. So, whatever body armor is in use now is irrelevant. Secondly, the advantages of the ballistic knife are clearly the distance it puts between you and your enemy and also the ability to use it while not in a dominant position. IE the Spetsnaz prostrate on the floor even somewhat injured is still able to take full advantage of his ballistic knife simply by pressing a button, the same cannot be said for the Green Beret and his E-tool.

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  23. mikeklax1424 Posted on Dec 16 '09 at 1:43 PM

  I would like to know why the hell they used the green beret's they dont do anything even similar to the spetsnaz the green berets are ment to go and train resistance fighters so they can fight the war, and yes they do fight but they fight with a hole gang of resistance fighters. So i saw right from the beginning that spetsnaz was going to win they are special ops and are nothing like the green berets. What they should have done was navy seals vs. spetsnaz that would have been more fair cause they do basically the same things as the spetsnaz.
  
  and for all the people who say o the green berets should have won your completely wrong in real life the spetsnaz would kick the green berets ass's, they highly skilled KILLING MACHINES un like the green berets who are just highly skilled trainers. by the way im only 13 and i no more about this then most of you guys that is just SAD.

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  24. das_spetsnaz Posted on Dec 14 '09 at 7:21 AM

  i was incredible disapointed that the green berets lost simply because there were 3 more spetsnaz. plus, its incredibly unlikely that after the green berets kill every spetsnaz and then have one spetsnaz kill the other three berets. this could have been a lot better if it had been a match with an even amount of forces. plus, green berets isn't even the best we have, you could put 4 delta force member against like 20 spetsnaz and delta force would win in less than a minute.
  
  however, i've go to say that the spetsnaz battle cry was amazing, i use it for my steam account DAS SPETSNAZ!!!!

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  25. GeneralTJ Posted on Dec 9 '09 at 2:26 AM

  first of all we have delta force and the spetnanz douche had 2 knifes and what about boby armour america had way better guns than that we have fcking recon soldiers.thts were games come from halo ghost recon from delta most important Conflict Delta Force. You know black hawk down they fought hundreds of soldiers in a matter of days.Including they cant really beat the green beret for real.hand - hand wont happen.The M4 has like 15 attachments.We also have other special forces this how it would end.Green Bere>Spetnanz....Delta force[are real secret forces]wouldnt even lose a guy...Navy Seals>Spetnanz[underwater and on land those f.a.g.s.would get destroyed.We have dozens of better guns and thts a third world country.We probably have units even stronger than delta force a special unit.I cant tell u but I know someone who was a Delta Force member

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  26. collenelcrap Posted on Dec 8 '09 at 8:26 AM

  I thought this episode was very good.... my only problem is that on the grenade test they should have used the same washer machine test for both.

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  27. danx1234 Posted on Dec 4 '09 at 5:15 PM

  I think the testers favored the russians.

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  28. Slickricktheruler Posted on Dec 4 '09 at 2:16 AM

  I would have liked to seen some guys that were current berets do those tests.... I think the outcome would have come out a lot different!!
  
  No disrespect to the soldiers who participated, just would've like to see the difference..

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  29. Tadpole117 Posted on Nov 30 '09 at 3:09 AM

  All in all this episode was a complete POS. I like the premise but the entire thing was gone about incorrectly, not to mention that in several episodes the resident "expert" in ballistics has been severely incorrect and supremely overeager to announce death from injuries that are possibly not fatal. Hurt like a bitch, yes, possibly fatal yes, but are you out of the fight, no #*$&ing way.
  
  At the end of it all however I am glad that the Russians won it because in a way they lost it horribly. The Green Berets are the Army's Special Operations Force, but the Army also has SFOD-D or Delta. The United States Special Operations Forces work in Tiers, from 3 to 1. The Russians and the Brits make no such distinction. There is only ONE Special Operations Force for each of these respective countries in each branch of service and as a result they are required to be trained and maintained to a much higher standard then our Tier 2 assets like Green Berets and Navy SEALs.
  
  Im sorry Spetsnaz boys but if the contest was that freaking close between yourselves and the Green Berets that means you can go toe to toe with a Tier 2 unit of the US when you are supposed to be able to take on a unit like Delta or DEVGRU... Good Luck
  
  P.S. Spike NEEDs to address the problems of his episode for future ones. ALSO I respect ALL military veterans and service members and my frustration is merely the byproduct of the Spetsnaz arrogance and rude behavior as well as the inaccuracy of the match up in ALL aspects.

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  30. chetty311 Posted on Nov 29 '09 at 11:14 PM

  i totally dis agree with everything with the simulation for the green beret and spetsnaz...there both amazing warriors yes. but green beret is just so much better!!! and come on they gave the spetsnaz a hugggeee upper advantage....first of all..like there going to not wear helmets or armor when they go to combat..second of all what the hell is with the E-TOOL? i mean..green berets specialty is hand-to hand combat--which pretty much means there pretty fucking deadly with there hands..and with a knife...3rd if you look closley at the begining of the fight.. theres only 5 green berets and the spetsnaz has 6... now normally i wouldnt cry about it but wtf upper advantage please?? 4th look closesly again with the M9 pistol..has 15 bullets in one clip right?? well he only shoot 13...soo he has 2 more bullets left and decides to throw it down and not get a KNIFE..but let alone a flipping shovel?? come on now i thought that was just total bullshit...wth kind of scene is that when the green beret with the pistol looks at him for a few seconds and dosnt shoot? and then right after that the spetsnaz was like ohh well hes right behind me i have to turn around now? no i think i speak for a lot of people for this non sense..

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  31. Chiefinspectorcl Posted on Nov 29 '09 at 5:17 PM

  M9 over Makarov any day of the week and twice on Sunday. 9mm Luger is a superior bullet, the gun is super reliable and accurate and it's modern, the Makarov is solid, but just not in the same class. E-tool is a joke, how it made the show, I don't know...Might as well have the Russian use their shoe for a special weapon...That said...the e-tool has the power to do tremendous damage and I think they undercut it based on appearances.. but the Green could have came up with something better to counter with. Ballistic knife might be good against untrained hostage taker who is surprised, but not by one who knows it's "trick".
  
  They said it was a tie, but the comp knew the M4 is better than the AK74, hence the difference in kills. The shotgun was the end all-be all. They tried to "even it up" by making the green berets bring a knife to a gun fight, and it altered the results. The correct matchup would be the Benelli M4-semi auto shotgun. The mossberg is good and has it's applications, it's good for 3" magnum shells, breaches, ect.....but it's apples and oranges to the semi-auto. Benelli VS Saiga? Benelli hands down..
  
  Thats it, greens win.

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  32. scurvythepirate Posted on Nov 29 '09 at 7:29 AM

  What A fucking joke. The "Green beret" said the M4 had a 4 "position" selector switch, Safe, Semi, Burst?, and Full. Any person would know that the M4 has not "burst option". When the guy goes to shoot a bunch of targets with his M4A1, I see a silencer, and of course for some reason the silencer does no effect. Odd.
  2. When they show the AK 74, you can see the classic AK-47 Magazine, the gun they are showing is the AKM, not the 74, the 74 has a brown/black magazine with more of a striaght down curve, and is smaller, to house the 5.56 caliber. Plus the spetsnaz actually shoulder their weapons they dont run with it 3 feet out to pray and spray, OMG.
  3. the dragonov vs the M24 isnt even correct. I recall the Spetsnaz using the VSS Vintorez for its amazing accuracy, its more accurate than an Dragonov. GET IT RIGHT SPIKE.

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  33. scurvythepirate Posted on Nov 29 '09 at 6:57 AM

  1. Well, I have to say I was disappointed that the testing procedures were different for similar weapons. I mean, the whole grenade test was bunk. They should have tossed both in a washing machine, or both in a "building"....and they were using their sniper rifles at, what, 30 yards? LOL. Put them on a 600 yard range and let them go to work.
  
  And why were they using HS Video to guage trauma in the M4, but did not do the same test with the '74? And couldn't they have given the Spetz a slightly more updated weapon? Hell, the GB had all the latest goodies (rails, EOtech) and the Spetz guy went bone stock with a 30 year old rifle when they are regularly issued more modern weapons?
  
  Disappoiinting all around.
  
  2.what a crap show. the "Doctor" kepts making obvious statements of what is a kill shot or a death stroke. the "scientific tests" were crap, and not performed equally and under controlled conditions. certain factors like hand-hand combat and soldier training were not taken into consideration. accuracy of the M4 would have made it beat out the AK. and the whole thing at the end where the "experts" were saying it came down to training, the Russians were superior. like really, wow. and what was up with that crappy GB missing that one target with his pistol? what a tool! i bet most airsofters could have done a better job.
  
  3.If you do a search on the supposed "experts" of each respective background, you'll find that most of them are just actors with a minimal amount of training in that field.
  
  For example, both ninja experts were actors. The one Samurai expert who was descended from samurai's was a london born, canadian raised actor/dancer.
  
  The show is fun just for one thing and one thing only, destroying gel dummies

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  34. effexorz Posted on Nov 25 '09 at 12:07 AM

  I didnt know the US was a town.

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  35. chillerkiller Posted on Nov 13 '09 at 4:50 PM

  when is season to of deadlist warror is

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  36. hokiebot09 Posted on Nov 8 '09 at 3:53 PM

  i agree. they should've used either the marines, delta force or navy seals. but i do question why the spetz are able to be punched/hit & remain unphazed & can the same be said for the US SF.

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  37. silientkiller Posted on Nov 6 '09 at 6:32 AM

  i want to see navyseals vs sas

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  38. AtticusStark Posted on Oct 31 '09 at 10:24 PM

  Unless my counting was off the Green Berets still had one person left after the Spetznaz killed the guy with the ballistic knife. Also I think the ballistic knife is not better than the E-tool (though the whole using a shovel as a weapon thing is weird) you get one shot with the knife and unlimited with the e-tool.

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  39. Mandrix3791 Posted on Oct 29 '09 at 8:52 PM

  Yeah, this is bull crap man.. if your going to test the weapons you need to test them all the same.. not differently.. and test the men the same as well.. we would kick there asses... and besides even if they did beat the green berets they wouldn't stand a chance against Navy Seals... This is strictly speculation.. but a great show! good job guys!

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  40. killer3398 Posted on Oct 27 '09 at 9:23 PM

  what kind of simulation computer is that?

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  41. jmatthews19 Posted on Oct 27 '09 at 2:58 PM

  I do not like the fact that armor was not factored into the equation. On today's battlefield, US soldiers are always wearing ballistic armor to protect themselves. Also I HATE the fact that different tests were done for similar weapons. That was horrible!

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  42. Kalashnikov_Apache Posted on Oct 23 '09 at 11:47 AM

  I enjoyed this take on the eastern and western military industrial complex, and two special forces serving each.
  
  
  
  Questions (Green Beret): 1. Why wasn't the headshot by the shovel considered equal to or greater than the spetsnaz knive discharge?
  
  Questions (Overall): 1. Why weren't the best of the two men there shooting and using the weapons as opposed to the other two junkies that couldn't execute their task(s) properly?
  
  
  
  Review: First of all, I thought that there was going to be a slight bit of bias weighed in favor for the Green Berets, but thankfully most of it was even steven. Second of all, I thought that in representing my country, the United States, the Green Berets could've done us all a favor and cut down on the chatter and chest beating. They were sore contestants going in, sore losers going on -- they flunked out of this one for not keeping their cool. Lastily, WHAT THE HELL KNIVE? C'mon, shovel removing someones brain is quite enough -- that should've put the Green Berets on par with the Spetznas. Ohwell, I'am glad that either one of these special forces had the chance to participate and prove their mettle, but I do approve of the decision putting the Spetsnaz ahead -- the shortest of the bunch fought in Chechnya, and he has my respect.

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  43. Longshot57 Posted on Oct 23 '09 at 7:49 AM

  One question... Why didn't they use the KBAR as a melee weapon like normal green beret?

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  44. Critic9 Posted on Oct 16 '09 at 10:01 AM

  That was a ridicules simulation that would only fool an imbecile. First of all there were more Spetsnaz than Green Beret. Second how does one Spetsnaz kill all four Green Beret, one is plausible two would never happen, the third is idiotic. The last thing I would like to point out is that the Green Beret soldier hits the ballistic knife out of the Spetsnaz hand then knocks him to the ground, the Spetsnaz soldier then pulls out another knife? Was that part of there training¿ carry at least two of every weapon you carry? Personally I think this episode was a waste of my time and a waste of every one else¿s who watched. I would like my forty minutes back, and I would like to let you know that in a fair simulation or fight the Green Beret would have won no contest.
  
  
  
  Thanks for wasting my time!

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  45. MR.B187 Posted on Oct 14 '09 at 9:24 AM

  CANDY ASS GREEN BERETS!! I KNEW I COULDN'T RELY ON YOUR PUSSY ASSES!

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  46. Nickidemus Posted on Oct 13 '09 at 11:52 PM

  Ok people I'm gonna settle this right now 3rd_Group_NCO ha is right this really wasn't a proper test I can Promise as I am Delta Qualified and I am a Green Beret My equipment is far better than that crap they Sf guys had in the show. I use many different Weapons but at any Given moment on My duty day I carry the M-16A8 which has better range and stopping Power than the AK-17 (YES! IT"S TRUE I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD IT) I also have a have a holstered 1911 Most of the SF opt to get a 1911 instead of the 92F. Now the M9 is a good firearm I am not going to dispute that Fact but The 191 is a man stopper to hell with double tapping like the M9 one round is all I need to put you to the floor easy. Second our Body armor, I wear a plate carrier that will stop a .50 Cal and a 7.62mm Ok. I also wear Kevlar Knee, and Elbow Pads that can stop small rounds. as it is said above we don't wear or our Beret or ACU's in combat. We wear Black SDU's or Desert Digitals. As for me I usually wear Desert Digitals and Black Gear. As for that shovel We don't carry it with us on combat patrol unless we are going out on a long patrol which we usually don't. Now my favorite part as I am a trained sniper and the Squads Designated Marksmen. We us a Number of Snipers Such as the M-16A8, M-14, M-24, M-324, SR- 25, M-110, M-90, and now we have a new Sniper Rifle developed by the very ancestors or Eric and Dick Cassull from Germany that have designed a 13mm High Velocity High Cyclic round with a range of 4 miles. The Russians don't have that now do they. But here to settle all of this The SAS wasn't the first Special Forces. It was the German Waffen-SS The Spetnaz are actually Heavy Infantry not Spec Ops the Russians don't have any Spec Programs except the Spetznaz. The only ones the U.S. have is the Green Berets, Delta, and the Best Spec Unit we have that we can mention is the USAF PARA-RESCUE. ant eh Best Special FOrces Unit on Earth is the German TotenKopferban.

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  47. LauraU23 Posted on Oct 8 '09 at 8:39 PM

  THIS ESPOIDE OF THE DEADILEST WARRIOR IS MY SECOND FAVORITE.

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  48. Cole_Black Posted on Sep 27 '09 at 7:58 AM

  Having to hit targets while doing combat rolls would only increase you accuracy while standing... common fucking sense

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  49. creeck Posted on Sep 23 '09 at 10:40 PM

  get out of America you traiters there one of our biggest rivals and you couldnt cheat a little!I thought you guys were awsome but after this noooooooooooooooo!that sucked!

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  50. Panx Posted on Sep 19 '09 at 4:20 PM

  Im an american and I rooted for the spetsnaz. I mean cmon the greenburay whos says oh I only need basic training I dont need to go hard because I have I tech weapons. Where as the spetsnaz they have hard training and used their weapon by any mean and push hard.

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