Pirate vs. Knight

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  1. thesandworm Posted on Apr 28 '09 at 11:05 PM

  Ok Aftermath crew: just how did the pirate take those hits from the morningstar and keep right on ticking?

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  2. ThisIX Posted on Apr 28 '09 at 11:16 PM

  Regarding the 'Pirate vs. Knight' episode, I believe there may have been a miscalculation in determining the effectiveness of the Knight's armor. In all of the on-screen tests (the tests that were publicly viewed) with Pirate weaponry against the plate armor, none of the tests showed the dummies wearing the armor actually wearing a Knight's full ensemble. Plate armor was typically supplemented by chain mail, with typically two layers of thick padding. While the padding would mean little against a weapon such as the blunderbuss, it would make a difference when dealing with the impacts of some of the weapons, such as the grenado. In addition to this, the chain mail, depending on the period when the mail was made and the type of shot that was used, could very well affect the impact and damage of the blunderbuss on the Knight. Finally, it was mentioned in the video that the armor that was being tested on was made of iron, while steel would have been the best material that armor could have been made by when the Knight was still something to be seen on the field of battle.

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  3. dpool133 Posted on Apr 28 '09 at 11:18 PM

  Dude, Awesome! Maybe I;m being biasis from the pompus and extremely annoying Knight Guys, But I was very stoked with the results.

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  4. Fontanella.james Posted on Apr 28 '09 at 11:29 PM

  "Ok Aftermath crew: just how did the pirate take those hits from the morningstar and keep right on ticking?"
  Answer: The knight was french.

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  5. WilliamMarshall Posted on Apr 28 '09 at 11:44 PM

  I know this isn't exactly how the simulation is supposed to work with the weapons, but I think the blunderbuss is the only edge. The grenado has a fuse, which makes it very difficult to use in a running fight. The pirate would have to light it, hold it, and throw it to the spot he thinks the knight will be when it finally blows. To get the edge, the pirate needs to toss it into the knight's arming tent while he is getting the kit on. Anyone who has tried to use grenades toe to toe in a first person shooter knows how tough that can be.
  
  When it fired, the blunderbuss got a single pellet through the plate. It might kill, it might not, one gunshot doesn't necessarily stop a person cold and put them out of the fight, though it might kill them later.
  
  They gave the swords even odds, but a cutlass is totally ineffective against plate and mail. Mail is what the longsword was designed to defeat, and plate is the reason for the poleaxe. Reenactors and historical martial artists today fight full contact with blunt steel swords in the kind of armor shown here. Sharpening them wouldn't increase their effectiveness against steel.
  
  If the firearm doesn't stop the knight, the only way to defeat him will be with the kind of force provided by the morningstar and poleaxe, or getting him to the ground. If the pirate gets past the close range weapons and gets his hands on the knight he will be faced with a skilled grappler (wrestling was at the core of his training) with an extra 60lbs of mass.
  
  BTW, the poleaxe they used is mine. It was fun seeing it used against the gel torso. Working with a pair of them out of armor even very slowly is a bit scary because it take so little effort to do real damage with them. That was also my helmet they put a hole in, and they were right about the effect. It would have hurt like hell, but been a long way from a KO.

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  6. MickleMac Posted on Apr 28 '09 at 11:46 PM

  It's good to see the myths about European armor being debunked. A war club can't damage a steel helmet, a katana can't cut chainmail, a kama can't penetrate bronze armor. Plate armor can stand up to a attack from a flintlock pistol and grenado. The Europeans are excellent metal craftsmen.

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  7. kevin19usmc Posted on Apr 28 '09 at 11:51 PM

  you know what i want to know......aztec warrior vrs tibetan monk...who wins?

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  8. JackiePlawkz Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:04 AM

  yay first =P

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  9. PR-King Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:18 AM

  Generally I root for the heavily armored guys. And when they lose, a acknowledge that they did. But I just had one question, the Spartans (to my knowledge) wore bronze plate, with probably thin cloth underneath. The knights usually wore at least leather padding underneath, more for their own comfort, but to also protect against blunt attacks a little better, in some cases (perhaps a different era from the knights you were testing) they would wear chain mail underneath as well. On the weapons tests I didn't see the leather underneath just the plate to skin. Do you think the blunderbuss would have been as effective had this been taken into account?
  
  Personally I don't think it would, considering that the bullet would have been slown down by piercing the metal and then hit the leather which (again to the best of my knowledge) would absorb the shock a little better. Chainmail probably just as much (because of the way it's made) if not more.
  
  
  
  Also the shield wasn't taken into account as much either, I realize it probably wasn't a very offensive weapon as the spartans used, but that should of have been taken into account counting it as part of the armor.

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  10. EraserRain Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:21 AM

  Once again I think this episode shows that these guys need to be more aware of the final simulation. I think that is the most talked about thing on here. Most people are upset over the final sim and how it plays out. In this case it was something right from the beginning. They showed the damage the morning star (actually a flail. morning star was a stick with a stationary spiked ball on top. no chain) did and it was incredible. It completely brained the dummy. But in the sim the pirate was hit twice and he kept on fighting. There is no way he'd be able to continue after the first hit (which looked like it got his shoulder. would completely decimate it) and especially after he caught it to the face later.
  
  
  
  I have no problem with the result (I was actually pulling more for the pirate) but you guys need to make the sim more realistic because thats what people complain about the most. Something that happens in the final battle that annoys someone and they completely forget the final battle is just entertainment used to show who the overall winner is.
  
  
  
  Great show. And hopefully we can have alot more seasons of this show because there are so many different matchups we could do with warriors that havent even been used yet.
  
  
  
  Just a little advice for the future so you guys dont get so much complaints. Also I'd recommend really adding the warrior's fighting style into the equation. Or if you do focus more on it. Because right now it looks like you guys do everything based purely on how a weapon performs. Not the fighter wielding it.

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  11. Shawnzy Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:23 AM

  As someone else has mentioned, my main problem with this episode, is the lack of testing a Knights Chainmail. Chainmail was used more than plate armor, and usually always worn underneath said plate armor. In the blunderbuss test, a pellet made it through, but would it have also gone through the chainmail? I highly doubt it.
  
  
  
  They completely seemed to ignore chainmail throughout the entire episode.
  
  
  
  I also didn't like in the demonstration, that the flail hits were just shrugged off by the pirate. But that bit is for pure entertainment's sake.

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  12. Gidean Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:25 AM

  A lot of the wins the pirate had with melee weapons were probably based on the "what if it squeezed through the cracks in the armor?" or "what if the knight lost it's helm after falling off his horse?" The low amount of wins with pirate melee says that. As for the blunderbuss not killing in the first shot, completely possible, but if the knight takes a full shot to the chest, even if he survived the force of the impact would knock him to the ground giving the pirate time to run and/or reload for another shot. On the other side of it, considering the pirate had no armor, a lot of the knights melee attacks were probably 1-hit kills, and all of them but the Morning star (probably because its chain weapon) killed at pretty much the same rate.

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  13. Fontanella.james Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:29 AM

  The grenado certainly does have an edge, It has a visible fuse so it can be lit and tossed with a reasonable expectation of when it will go off. I'm sure an experienced pirate would have a good idea of when to toss it. Even if it didn't go off right next to the knight the shrapnel could have very well killed his horse and dismounted him anyway, or it could have hit the knight in an area where he only had chain mail for protection. The blunderbuss didn't necessarily have to be packed with bb sized pellets. He could have put nails, large pieces of scrap metal, or maybe even a slug in that bad boy. I don't care how well armored you are, If you get hit with a slug from that thing you are so dead its not even funny.

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  14. sweetblue82 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:29 AM

  Ok so I just got done watching the Knight vs Pirate episode. The weapon that made the difference for the pirate was the blunderbus. The blunderbus in the testing only got one ball bearing through the knights armor clearly showing that it was as ineffective as the flint lock pistol was. THE PIRATES WEAPONS WERE NOT ABLE TO CAUSE CRITICAL DAMAGE TO THE KNIGHT BECAUSE OF HIS ARMOR. Plus the so called evaluators didn't even account for the pirates shield. Oh and further more I love how the Knight hits the pirate twice with the morning star in the head and it didn't phase him, this is bull shit. Also the grenado was in effective against the knights armor. The only was that the Pirate had a lucky shot would have been if he could have shot him like he did in the simulation. But again I recall the fact that any blow the knight would have hit the pirate with would have been lethal. The assessors of the weapon tests were just way to "geeked" out about the black powder weapons, and they highly over rated the killing capacity of the pirates weapons to supremely defended warrior
  
  I personally would have been more critical of the pirates weapons due to the ineffectiveness and I believe they were far to one sided. This really has soured the show for me and the realisticness and neutrality that I believed the show had for the most part.
  
  The Knight is clearly the victor.

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  15. sweetblue82 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:32 AM

  I agree

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  16. Rikun85 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:43 AM

  For everyone complaining about the ending fight, it's just a Hollywood version of what the fight might look like. The only thing that these choreographers would know is who would win and they just have to make it look as thrilling as possible. All that's really calculated is just the raw data, so really the fight sequence has NOTHING to do with it. So there will be plenty of bullshit moments.
  
  Anyways, to the Aftermath Crew I really want to ask: of all the matchups you guys did, why did you not do an episode with Pirate vs Ninja? Of all the possible warrior matchups this MUST have come up. It's been a widely known debate for years and I guarentee you it's one that everyone would want to see. Do you think you guys would ever do an episode that re-evaluates two different warriors against each other?

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  17. Gidean Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:47 AM

  Ug, ignore the fight at the end people. Its PURELY FOR ENTERTAINMENT and is not ment to be accurate. And if you guys get to complain about the Knight not having its shield, I'm going to start complaining about why they didn't give the musket to the pirate when that would have clearly been a more potent weapon than either the blunderbuss or the pistol.

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  18. akgrizzly Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:53 AM

  So what happened in the similation to the Knights main weapon - the axe(sorry i forgot the name). And why to horse? By the way, how deep did the one shot go beyond the armour. Was it a nick or a kill shot? You didn't show the results of that test so I questions your integrity and scientific ability.

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  19. hunterjgd Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 12:58 AM

  Ok, the pirate won big deal. But, he won because, I believe, the testers subjectively over valued the blunderbuss and grenado, and completely undervalued the knights armor suit, chain mail, shield, etc. As a person who has used modern firearms on this combination (sks) and not always gotten complete penetration (usually but not always; I do dumb stuff when bored) I have a hard time accepting that loose packed blackpowder and scrap metal can penetrate a twelve gauge shield, eighteen gauge plate, and any guage chainmaille. Not to mention the leather padding underneath all of that. Also, I feel the toughness of the pirate being a trained soilder was way too ramped up, while the knight easily being able to take shocking blows from years of jousting and weapons training on horseback wasn't even mentioned. But hey, maybe i'm wrong and all that stuff was miracoulously accounted for and an idiot producer opted for it not to be shown. After all its just a t.v. show. Go pirates.
  
  
  
  P.S. I think I speak for all knight fans when we say I WANT A REMATCH!

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  20. Osirak Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 1:01 AM

  amazing vid. the first weapon that they tested for the Knight was AMAZING!!!

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  21. Osirak Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 1:02 AM

  AMAZING, the first weapon test for the Knights Completly split the head in 2

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  22. muay-tai-87 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 1:09 AM

  YES! COULD NOT F-IN AGREE MORE with (dpool133). do not get me wrong, i have the utmost respect for the knight and the time period they reigned supreme. that being said, all this jazz about armor is so damn annoying. a knight was indeed a great warrior, they definitely had malicious weaponry. all that aside. they were very slow and the farthest thing from agile. their weapons were all blunt force tools. not to mention they all had gold spoons up their f-in rectums. A pirate on the other hand is exactly that, a no holds barred murderer that raked havoc on anyone in their way. Do not forget that they were extremely well trained as well. they were extremely bitter and overwhelmingly angered over life situations a knight would go into battle thinking they were superior. in my first hand experience the cocky one gets mashed the f**k up. i don't think i even need to mention the superiority of fire arms over bludgeoning tools! Now on to the two little sissy's that the show brought on to demonstrate the knights ability and weaponry . these two are downright pathetic especially Josh Paugh or w/e it is. this f-in geek is a weapons expert? why? he has been playing dungeons and dragons since infinity? they said on the show the swords were even (note: pirate expert used a one handed swing, while daddy's girl {jp} opted for a ken Griffy replica b-ball swing.. (LMFAO).
  this kid keeps bringing up such comments as the knights fought for god and what not (i am not debating). however this isn't Sunday confession goof! This is a battle to the death. I really hope he may read this. i would love to kick him right in his tiny melon. Also the knight was on average between the size of 170-225 pounds. is this kid through puberty yet? anyways i hope him or someone that disagrees with my opinion has the courage to back it up. see me in the streets-) Edmonton Alberta Canada. i can be found bouncing at the walk about pub. (whyte ave.)

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  23. cut_throat_77 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 1:14 AM

  this show has totally redeemed itself! ( after that tragic aftermath show, where they try to explain why spartan vs ninja sucked balls). this episode was so bad ass! although this was another unfair match up made from the leg program. pirates kick ass and knights are gay. I'd always take an outlaw fighting to survive over some shmuck fighting for honor or whatever those douche bags were talking about. and excellent final bout. cold blooded shot to the dome. i stood up and cheered. victory lap and all. more episodes like this and family guy is about to eat shit.

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  24. AnonymousTheSpy Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 1:46 AM

  sorry, I couldn't watch this.
  
  It's such a rip of Conquest off the History channel,
  plus these guys were way to obsessed about a dead pig. sick

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  25. Ghost420 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 2:33 AM

  it seems like they just completely ignore the knights armor at some times(regarding ALL of it, not just the chestpeice) ,
  
  
  
  Also if u get shot by a cross bow then hit with the flail twice(one from horse back!!) id think u would be dead at that point...
  
  
  
  only thing about this show is it is completely lacking in realism.
  
  
  
  i understand its based on the effects but id like to see them use the actuall effect on the actuall full suit of armor, like against the grenado the pirate won even though it barely did anything to the armor, the other pigs are very useless in the test unless it was against flesh, which this fight CLEARLY wasnt.
  
  
  
  Also the blunderbuss u HAVE to accoutn for miss fire wich was the FIRST shot against armor, they ignored.. bah if u change program for black powder then i think u should account for miss fire on blackpowder
  
  
  
  and about the Swords how are u going to ignore the armor YET AGAIN, common u guys test the weapons on what they are fighting.. sheesh
  
  
  
  ALSO where was the Halberd in the entire fight.. hmm idk it just dissapeard..

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  26. Warrior_of_the_light Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 2:44 AM

  Stupid show... Grenado?! Fckin grenade vs mid age? But knight should win this despite gunpowder. If pirate cant kill with first 2 shots he is dead by morning star... Only in this stupid show pirate after hit from morning star still run while knight cant walk as normal after grenado...
  
  Maybe if they tested catapult knight would win

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  27. Martin88 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 2:47 AM

  The Pirate won because of speed against an armored fighter but the Ninja lost to an armored fighter even though he'd be much quicker then a Pirate. The Apache also won with speed against a semi-armored fighter so either the Ninja got screwed or the Spartan is that much better then a Knight or Gladiator. Also how the hell did the pirate take blows from the Morning Star and not die or at least get knocked out?

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  28. Mythos011 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:06 AM

  if you are interested about knights armour from that period read about a battle of agincourt, english long bowmen masacred over 2000 best french knights , english were also way to outnumbered by french. If english bodkin arrow could penetrate layers of plate armour from a long range, so blunderbus from close range could probably do the same

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  29. thepiratep Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:18 AM

  this show is fucking awesome, i look forward to seeing the next one, weather i agree or disagree with the outcome of the fights, it is so entertaining, and its an idea for a show i have always wanted to see.

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  30. Mythos011 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:28 AM

  Knights armour was not as invincible as most of you guys think. At battle of Agincourt 300 English long bowmen masacred over 2000 of the best french knights. If english bodkin arrow could pierce a full plate armour from the long range, blunderbus from short range would be devastating.

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  31. Deadiest-Dark-Warrior Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:30 AM

  i had a good feeling about the pirate

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  32. Anthracite Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:31 AM

  IMHO Several issues altered this week's final result :
  - knight shield didn't seemed to be included in the tests, while it's clear that this additional layer of protection would have helped against all those range weapons that just barely pierced one layer of knight armour. Too bad also chainmail wasn't tested...
  - the blunderbuss seems efficient on one shot, but the weapon is so random it would have needed a dozen shot to determine.its chance of delivering a fatal blow. On the test, only one pellet actually did some damage, there is probably a high chance that none penetrates the armour deeply enough to cause a severe wound.
  - the grenado test was only meant to test its damage. But it's a no-brainer that such a weapon is supposed to kill when it explodes right in front of the target, mid-air... But what about other situations? How much damage does it make at a greater distance, when it lies on the ground, which is probably a more realistic situation based on the fact that grenado needs to be lighten, thrown by hand with low velocity, and it can bounce once or twice when it hits the ground before exploding. The knight would probably see it and try to run away from it, or at least use its shield to protect himself. What's the lethality of this weapon in this situation?
  - was the knight mounted as we see in the final video? If so, the pirate wouldn't have had the time to shot more than once or twice until the knight reaches him, and at this point every hit is a kill for knight. Armoured cavalry was a strategy that was still in use in the early XXth century.

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  33. Osirak Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:40 AM

  the pirate took the full force on his shoulder from the morning star. then he took one to the head....

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  34. twingoman Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:42 AM

  I have some questions about the reliability of the guns, it was clear during the testing that they were definitely not reliable.
  Also they didn't test the blunderbuss with the shield and armor behind that could have made a difference.
  At close range even if the pirate is more agile because it doesn't have any armor, any hits will definitely injure the pirate and not the other way around, so the edge they get wearing no armor could be gone very quickly at the first injury the pirate gets.
  Once again i would like to see the experts do a one on one, see where they hit the other guy during the fight and reproduce the same impact on armor, or clothing on the gel dummies, because technics is also very important. On of the reason was once again illustrated during the boarding axe test against the helmet, getting so close to a knight wearing shield and armor... not too sure it would happen during a fight.
  I think the pirate sword was also not tested properly it was a slashing weapon and the knight armor is made to protect mostly against that, while the knights weapons where made to crush and pierce the armor and anything behind it. It's the same as viking vs samurai the katana was a great slashing weapon but ineffective against chain mail.
  And put the fighters in an arena one on one death match it would definitely be more realistic to the way they would meet (not considering the period difference) look at the UFC different style, technics but all in a arena so people can watch and no one gets a terrain advantage.

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  35. Osirak Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:48 AM

  i call bull shit from the results....

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  36. BraxtonRwells Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:51 AM

  i thought that the even on the cutless VS. the brodsword was lame the pirate could cut that pig in two with a singel chop of one hand the knight had to use two wich would have given the pirate a advantage. and my question for the aftermath people :why dident you use any of the pirate weapons in combanation like flintlock pistol with a cutlas or hatchet? i meen the hole in the helmit made by the bording axe was big enought for a bullet.

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  37. krawdee Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:57 AM

  I had the same question--what about the chain mail? Surly having full armor on would have slowed the bullet/shot down even more. My husband and I knew that the Pirate would win, but we did think that the outcome should have been by a closer margin; the Knights had some pretty impressive weapons that could do a lot of damage. The Knights were a bit cocky, however, the Pirates were just as annoying with all of their bravado and such. Maybe they should have an Amazon Warrior take on some of these macho men and see who comes out the victor. As to keven19usmc--I think that the Tibetan Monk could take the Aztec Warrior.

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  38. LicenseToGrill Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 3:58 AM

  Something to point out. In the battle simulation the prate is rolling around on the ground and in the sand. I would think that the powder would run out and the sand would cause some trouble with his gun too. From what i say of the actual test, i don't think that you guys took into count that the weapon misfired in the testing.

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  39. CCousinsjr Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 4:52 AM

  I think there should be a mandatory retest on this one. How can the pirate pull out a crossbow bolt and be fine, and the knight take a shot from the blunderbuss from a pretty far away and be hurt THROUGH his ARMOR. The crew didn't account for the misfires of the pirate guns.

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  40. Clockman12 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 5:08 AM

  It was good to see how you factored in the knight's armor into the fight as well. The plate armor was capable of deflecting the flintock's bullet on the misfire, but was shredded by the blunderbuss. Did you guys switch the ammo to something different or kept it the same?
  
  Also, nice blend for the sim fight. Used a terrain familiar to a knight and a pirate. The Knight was kind of a jerk, though. The pirate found some gold and wanted to share it with his friends. The Knight comes along and he has to kill him. Now, the pirate can claim he killed a knight and carry off loads of gold himself.

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  41. Bodvarbjarki Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 5:30 AM

  This was a good fight, but I'm going to have to give this a wag of the finger (the previous episodes had way better testing then this one). Yes the pirate had new weapons/technology, but you are looking at faulty and inaccurate guns, as well as not properly testing the knights armor against the blunderbuss. The knight didn't just have plate covering his chest he also had chain mail underneath the plate. That's basically a ghetto Kevlar Vest. So, I'm sad to say that the armor was not properly tested against the blunderbuss (awesome as it was). My last gripe is how are you going say the Grenado is going to kill a moving target out in the open? It was meant to clear closed in spaces, and it had a fuse. Meaning that sure the pirate could be lighting the Grenado and running away so he could get the distance he needs away from the knight to kill him, but come on who wouldn't just shoot a pirate int he back with a crossbow as he wasted his time running, lighting, and waiting for the fuse to be thrown at the right moment. Let me guess he's hiding? He's not a ninja! Even so, the distance is going to be closed between him and the knight meaning the pirates going to cut it close to killing him self while using the Grenado. The Morning Star may have not had you "cheering like the Grenado" did, but it would of guaranteed a kill unlike the Grenado. Long story short, accuracy of long range and reliable weapons such as the crossbow out way the inaccuracy, sometimes time consuming, and unreliable weapons of the pirate.
  
  PS You have one hit one kill weapons of a knight that would murder anyone with out armor or with armor VS questionable weapons that may kill an armored opponent like the knight that was layered with plate and chain mail. If the armor was tested more effectively I would of been sold on the pirate winning. Great show none the less. :D

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  42. Bodvarbjarki Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 5:42 AM

  Oh I forgot another thing... The swords... Um yeah the Cutlass was a slashing weapon much like the Katana and if anyone remembers from the Viking vs Samurai episode "cutting" weapons could NOT slash through mail meaning the weapon basically became like bat unfortunately the Cutlass was a bat bashing against plate... Why do you think the Knights sword was heavier? So it could break and cut an opponent in armor. The Cutlass was not like the Knights sword. No matter how "kick ass" or "cheering" the pirate weapons were, they were NOT tested properly against the armor of the knight.
  
  Like I said this is still a great show, but this episode really lacked the depth of the other previous episodes. :(

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  43. ArmyOfTwo Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 5:47 AM

  how retarded was that ending lol. Morningstar did nothing... ya ok, Second armor vs no armor. yeah sure. and in the end he opens his mask and shoots him in the face. haha i thought the ratio was out of million fights. is he going to open his mask like that always? This show is cool with the test dumbies but i have to say im always dissapointed in the results. Its always the retarded ending.
  
  
  
  Oh also i thought the pirate only gets one shot. dident he used his gun like 4-5 times?
  
  
  
  Anyways im still stciking with the knight, armor vs no armor.

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  44. crazySparten Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 5:51 AM

  That was cheep I think the knight sould of one because the knight would have been using his armor so when the Knight whet down he sould have been able to get up and hes a much beter figter he might be slow but when he hit the pirate with his morning star he sould have been done. anyway keep doing what your doing because this is asome. and will they swich up with the sparten vs the pirate like some sort of second round.

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  45. whammer79 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 5:57 AM

  I'll take that crossbow over a mis-firing blunderbus any day of the week! I don't think the computer program was set to calculated the number of misfires from a weapon like that.

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  46. 10Karls Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 5:59 AM

  Ok aftermath team I think that you completely ripped of the knight in the sword test. The pig should have come down with steel plating and chaimail witch clearly would have made the knight's sword better because he woul have cut right through the it while the pirate would have quite a difficult time getting through it.

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  47. twistedxjoker Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 6:28 AM

  Great episode....but I think we have all seen what bringing a fire arm in to a battle will do. They said it best...... It wasnt so much a battle of skill as it was advancement of technology. On that note I am extremely disapointed after seeing the preview for next week! I did not think that this show would stoop to that level. The mafia are NOT warriors! Please, please, please keep the machine guns and other fire arms out of this show, it takes all of the fun and more inportantly skill out of it! I hope the following episode is not bloods vs. crips.......

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  48. stupidpeoplearedumbasses Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 6:32 AM

  WilliamMarshall, you are a damn moron! " The grenado has a fuse, which makes it very difficult to use in a running fight. The pirate would have to light it, hold it, and throw it to the spot he thinks the knight will be when it finally blows. To get the edge, the pirate needs to toss it into the knight's arming tent while he is getting the kit on." BLAH BLAH BLAH IM A DUMBASS!
  
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  49. Whooptie31 Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 6:49 AM

  Wow seems like a lot of people are upset about this knight vs. pirate outcome. Hope you address a lot of this on the aftermath. Morning star, instant kill. Pirates grenado didn't even get through the single layer of armor on the pig, not to mention the knight has chain mail under that even. All it was was a small concussion and disorientation. How'd the grenado get the edge?? Why was the pirates sword tested against the pig at all? The knight would be wearing armor and that would nullify any pirate sword or axe attack. The only weapon the pirate had goin for him was the blunderbuss it seemed.

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  50. chicaboulita Posted on Apr 29 '09 at 7:08 AM

  The cockiness from both sides was cracking me up!!!

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