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The Seven Biggest Loopholes in the New Star Trek

At this point one thing is clear: J.J. Abrams’ reboot of Star Trek has been a huge success. He has single-handedly broadened the fan base for Star Trek by about a zillion people, and the stigma that has stuck to this movie franchise has been expunged. That said, it’s hard not to notice a few loopholes in the logic of the movie that leave you scratching your head as you leave the theater. Beware: This entire article is a spoiler.

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7. How do the people on board the SS Kelvin have any familiarity with Romulans?

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The first time anyone in the Federation ever sees an actual Romulan happens in an episode in the series, thus Spock and Kirk are somewhat older. A long war between the Federation and the Romulans had been going on involving only probes: so nobody on the Kelvin should have ever actually seen a Romulan before, to say nothing of the shock that should ensue that this race is so similar in looks to Vulcans (the races are “cousins,” whatever that means). Yes, the fact that Nero has travelled through time changes everything (thus the term “reboot”), but it still doesn’t explain the fact that everyone onboard the Kelvin should be a bit more baffled as to the nature of this alien race no one has ever encountered in person before.

6. Kirk and Spock wind up in the same solar system on the same planet in the same ice cave at the same time.

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I mean, come on. What are the chances? Yeah, Spock has been exiled to the ice planet so that he’ll be forced to witness the destruction of Vulcan. But when was the last time you bumped into your best friend while vacationing in Dubai? ‘Cause the odds are a lot higher that that would happen than you bumping into your future best friend on a random ass planet in the middle of a huge frickin’ ice plain.

But we’re not stopping there, oh no. How about the fact that Spock possesses the state-of-the-art technology to beam onto spaceships while they’re travelling at warp speed – hell, at any speed! If this is the case, then why has he been kicking it on Planet Ice Cube for 25 years when he could’ve beamed aboard some Federation vehicle passing by (the planet is in Federation space) and gotten busy saving his home planet?! Nay, his own mother?! Way to not take advantage of your God-like abilities, Spock! Now who’s being illogical?

5. The Vulcan kids who bully Spock show a helluva lot of emotion.

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Call me kooky, but doesn’t it seem a little out of place that a gang of Vulcan kids have made their joie de vivre picking on little Spock? Doesn’t their bullying strike you as a little…what’s the word…illogical?! Here you have a race of people who are purportedly devoid of emotion, they’re walking computers with infrequent slivers of compassion, but this gang of hoodlums gets their kicks by mean-spiritedly provoking Spock to violence. Something about their pastime smacks of human nature.

You’d think they’d spend their off hours memorizing pi to the eight billionth decimal, but instead they’re just as worthless as their human counterparts. Sure, the argument can be made that they’re simply prodding Spock as if he were an experiment, but the obvious pleasure they get from causing him unhappiness is kind of the whole point of the scene – that, and the fact that Spock’s mother is a whore (kidding!). These little Vulcans get an "F" for Vulcanism.

4. Why does the planet Romulus exist in Star Trek: The Next Generation?

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If Romulus goes boom back when Spock is around and kicking, then doesn’t that mean that Romulus should not exist at any point during Next Generation? Now, I’m not as good at physics and numbers and mind-melds as Spock, but it just seems categorically impossible for Jean-Luc Picard to ever have suffered any headaches due to these hostile, pointy-eared bastard cousins of the Vulcans if their home planet long since got eaten up by a star (in the original time line, not the new one created by Nero). It doesn’t take Stephen Hawking to figure this out, though we could really use his help piecing together the timeline in the new Star Trek.

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    1. NYBorn Posted on May 22 '09 at 3:25 PM

    Hey how about the Chick in the movie, she's pretty hot. Plus the movie was really good, right on point.

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    2. maddog8670 Posted on May 20 '09 at 6:08 AM

    look if you follow the movie it happens well after voyager so inturn in the time line romulus still exists. In my opinion this movie was made really good with a twist.

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    3. RelaxPeople Posted on May 18 '09 at 10:44 PM

    Most of these are incredibly dumb, or just not well thought out. Spock wasn't sitting in a cave for 25 years - he'd just gotten there. It was explained pretty clearly. The ship was a MINING vehicle, so it had a drill. Nero didn't appear to have these plans carefully thought out, or wanted to take years digging a little hole. He had a drill. It'd take an hour or two. Simple.

    I read some of the comments and they seem to address everything else pretty well. Mostly, this article is the one with holes, not so much the movie.

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    4. KnightswordX Posted on May 18 '09 at 9:23 PM

    I'm sorry but there seem to be a lot of crazy ideas of time lines and other things. First, Spock Prime travels from the year 2387, which is almost 10 years after the events of Star Trek Nemesis (where Data is killed btw) So Romulus is destroyed in the Future, which explains why it exists in the past and in TNG. Spock and Nero are thrown back in time to 2258 and 2233 respectively. Also, Spock, being the biggest figure pushing for reunification between Vulcan and Romulus would do whatever he could to earn Romulan support for his cause. The only thing that bothered me was the fact that the Enterprise was supposed to be built in 2245 and then commanded by Robert April before Captain Pike takes command. That does not even fit into this new time line, which has the Enterprise's first launch more than 10 years later. But I can forgive that because the movie was so good.

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    5. renz2lk Posted on May 18 '09 at 12:59 PM

    Uhm this takes place way after Nemesis. Picard is already an ambassador, Data is the captain of Enterprise, Jordi is a ship designer, Spock is an ambassador on Romulus... That is why Romulus exists in "The Next Generation".

    It's in the prequel comic.

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    6. klagdude Posted on May 18 '09 at 2:27 AM

    I just have a concern to point out, If you only needed a drop of red matter to cause a blackhole that would destroy a planet, why the well would you fly around with a ton of the stuff in space with a ship that constantly spins and flutters? doesn't seem logical to me, does it to you?

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    7. Ladimore Posted on May 18 '09 at 1:04 AM

    Most of these can be summed up in one answer. The Butterfly effect. Nero coming back in time changed everything. It was a great plot device.

    This movie was really about fate. The crew coming together on the Enterprise. Kirk taking command, meeting Spock and Scotti on the frozen planet. It was beautiful.

    plus, that green chick was hot :)

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    8. dmiami Posted on May 16 '09 at 10:35 PM

    You might argue that the writer should just let the movie be. But just because its a movie doesn't mean you shouldn't hold a movie maker to some higher standard. There was a way to reboot, not stick all of the stupid cliches that the JJ team uses in everything (lost, fringe, trek alternate universes)(my wife died in a supernova, i must punish the person who tried to help-weak) Story goes like this, From the future, Nero maybe some relative of Yar and maybe a kilngon with some real motives from revenge come back in time to get kirk. Thinking they kill him on the Kelvin, they go on to wreak havoc on old star fleet. Now in this time a grittier federation is born, one bent on conquering the universe. So now you have a bad ass star fleet going after everyone. At the very end you have spock grow a gaotee, let the audience see that this created an alternate universe and you set trek 2 as a kirk vs. kirk- enterprise v enterprise movie. I'd be clamoring to see that movie. Oh yeah JJ the 12th man of trek, the enterprise itself should have been featured much more. I thought when the Ent. was going to drop out of wrap behind saturn, there would be a money shot of saturn, her rings and moons, jupiter in the background, mars in the fore and the beautiful enterprise in that shot. Nothing, your filmmaking skills are subpar.

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    9. Dauntles101 Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:05 PM

    I'm not a hardcore trekkie but even I know spock (and even McCoy) were still alive during the Next Generation series. Hell I think spock did a DS9 or something to.

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    10. seph9510 Posted on May 16 '09 at 10:34 AM

    3. Good point, espcially with Vulcan, but Vulcans were pacifists, they didn't believe in fighting or war, so there defenses would have been minimal if at all. As for Earth, well it was sill fairly new to the Fianl Frontier so it may not have developed the defenses needed as of yet, it hadn't been attacked so no one thought of it, but it is in excuseable in the movie. On the other hand, the bug put in Pike, also seen in Wrath of Kahn, may have given Nero the codes to shut down the defenses. 2. The planet was could have been far enough way that Spock would see the formation of the black hole, which im sure nero would have told him he was going to do. 1. Nero is a miner, it was the only way he could get the Red matter to the center of the planet.

    I have one question that has a comment: Are you a trekker or a trekkie or some kind of Star Trek fan? If not, I am sorry to say but you should not have created this article. A real Trek fan would have gripe that Chekov was in the movie at age 17, when he actually joined the crew at least 10 years later in the origanal series at, I believe, 22.

    Yes, I am a Trekkie and a geek. Nerd will also fit, but that term is usally reserved for people with no life because the study all the time not becaus they have a sci-fi/fantasy obssion, but I digress.

    I am a Trekkie and proud of it.

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    11. seph9510 Posted on May 16 '09 at 10:33 AM

    I am a nerd and a greek. much of this has been said so I am sorry, but: 7. mostly correct. A war had been fought with the Romulans before Kirk was in Starfleet, the signals comeing from the ship could have matched up but they never saw one another. The treaty was done over subspace radio, there was no visual contact, so the knowledge that the romulans were an off-shoot of the Vulcan culture was unknown by EVERYONE until Balance of Terror in the Original Series. 6. The odds on the same planet same cave is unlikely, but Spock arrived 25 years after Nero, which is why Nero waited to destroy Vulcan. The ice planet was in close proximity so it is possible they had the same one for Kirk. 5. Vulcans has very intense emotions, more intense then humans, but they learn to control them over time. I think the children acting as the vulcan kids were very good on how they acted because they found Spock to be an affront to their honor becuase he was a half breed. 4. Ok, Romulus was destroyed in the time line of the Star Trek series and movies, approx 150 years ahead of this time period in the series timeline. This movie starts an alternate timeline where things ar different.

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    12. duel20 Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:34 AM

    and vulcan children are still children... its just dat spock was a lil bit more mature than the rest

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    13. duel20 Posted on May 16 '09 at 12:31 AM

    just to let u guys no spock was stuck in a ice cave when he was on the planet and he had no technology at the time to beam aboard a ship..... and lastly he could have just gone and seen scotty buh he prolly was not on the planet on the time and spock had no idea about it.... damn im not even star trek and i just put a loop hole in ur loop hole.

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    14. 1234567891234567890 Posted on May 15 '09 at 11:23 AM

    in response to your "loophole" #4. The next Generation takes place 75 to 80 years after kirk. In the movie, according to Spock, the planet Romulus was destroyed 192 years in the future. Therefore, Romulus would still be there in The next gerneration. it doesn;t get destroyed for another 112 years.

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    15. galactictyrant Posted on May 15 '09 at 4:56 AM

    regarding number 4... The aged Spock has been sent back from a time AFTER the Next gen Tv series has ended, as well as the Next Gen movies, DS9 and Voyager, hence Romulus exists in TNG and can also be destroyed for this movie. Regards, A Different Blogger

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    16. kidatrim Posted on May 15 '09 at 4:18 AM

    I didnt have a problem with anything in the movie, except the whole Spock - Uhura freak fest. I know that he was in fact her mentor in the series, but did they really ever have a romance goin ?? If so then Im ok with it but if they didnt then thats a cheap plot filler.

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    17. mardod Posted on May 15 '09 at 1:59 AM

    I have another one for you. Spoke Prime knows the mathematical calculations needed to travel in time and space. He displayed that ability in Star Trek IV. So why doesn't he just tell the Federation how to prevent Vulcan from getting destroyed?

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    18. dix_Tracy Posted on May 14 '09 at 10:07 PM

    And continued one more time since SPIKE message boards suck:



    SUMMARY:

    Nathan Bloch... Are you serious. Come on, are you serious? Really?.... REAAALLLY? Nathan, I want to thank you so much for allowing me to have such a great time pointing out that you shouldn't be posting opinions about Star Trek. And for everyone else... sorry I had to waste your time setting Nathan straight. I recognize I probably should just let Nathan feel good by staying quiet. Still, I had fun doing it. Woohoo!



    Later Nate!

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    19. dix_Tracy Posted on May 14 '09 at 10:06 PM

    Yup, continued from above again:



    2) Why don¿t the laws of physics apply in the Star Trek universe?

    Um, if the 'laws of physics' are suppose to apply, we better scrap 'warp drive'. There was just recently an article published that disproved the possibility. We're not watching the Science channel... we're watching a movie. Can you think of any action movie you've seen in the last 20 years that followed the laws of physics? I can't. But please, lets let Nathan continue to bitch about it. Besides, I can't get enough of making him look like an idiot. Oh, and Nathan... did you know the windows on the ships are actually transparent aluminium? You probably didn't know this since (I assume) you haven't watched a lot of star trek. So you best have a post from 1986 bitching about Star Trek IV. Don't let us down Nathan.



    1) Why does Nero use huge, cumbersome drills to destroy planets when a drop of Red Matter would suffice?

    Nathan states that this is a required step to get the "red matter" deep into the planet's crust... but disagrees with how they executed the this part of the attack. He suggests that the Romulans should have used a "secret ops type mission" to get this matter down into the planet so they wouldn't arouse suspicion. What he fails to mention is that the villain in this movie is actually the captain of a "mining ship". HMMMMM.... Would this guy be better at constructing some sort of drill (something a minor might use)? Or would he be more suited to train his minors to carry out a successful secret-ops mission to burrow into the planet's crusts and implant some red matter? I'm leaning towards the big, ugly drill myself. It might have been possible if they had a cloaking device so they could slip onto the planet undetected, but I don't think they have those on Mining Ships. Am I wrong Nathan? Do I have this all very wrong?

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    20. dix_Tracy Posted on May 14 '09 at 10:05 PM

    Continued again:

    4) Why does the planet Romulus exist in Star Trek: The Next Generation?.

    The argument made was that Spock wasn't around during Next Gen because he must have surely died already, thus Romulas should have already been destroyed. This is a really fun argument... especially since Spock was actually in a Next Gen episode. Oh, and if that isn't enough, how 'bout the fact that the episode takes place on.... (yeah, i'm gonna say it).... ON @#&@ING ROMULUS! WTF is wrong with this guy. Has he ever watched star trek? Well, he definitely watched Star trek XI... but other than that....

    Congrats Nathan, you have received another 'tard star.



    3) Why don¿t these planets have any defenses against Nero¿s drills?

    This is a fair argument... why doesn't earth or Vulcan have planetary defenses? This is not a question I have an answer to. However, I can say that when the Borg attack Earth far into the future, the planetary defenses are not near the planet, but instead gaurd the system... and they're also relatively underpowered drones. One could draw the conclusion that if they don't exist in the future, they probably don't exist in the past. So, by introducing planetary defenses, I'd argue that they would have violated known history. Yes, it's silly. Loophole? Not that I can see. Give this guy another golden com-badge.

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    21. dix_Tracy Posted on May 14 '09 at 10:04 PM

    Continued:

    6) Kirk and Spock wind up in the same solar system on the same planet in the same ice cave at the same time.

    This point is accurate, but highly exaggerated. Meeting in the same ice cave is definitely near impossible (no argument there Nathan). But showing up on the same planet is not. The enterprise was near Vulcan when it was destroyed. Spock was intentionally placed on a planet right next to Vulcan so that he could see it destroyed. Hence, they truly were at the same place at the same time. But yeah, meeting in the same cave, I will bow to you on this one issue (and only this one). This is really quite impossible. Congrats Nathan, you are a #(*@ing genius for pointing this out to an audience that obviously didn't recognize this on their own. I'd give you a gold star (or gold com-badge) if I had either.



    5) The Vulcan kids who bully Spock show a helluva lot of emotion.

    This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. He states that it's illogical for a race 'devoid of emotion' to behave in this way. First, Vulcans have volatile emotions far more intense then humans... they simply learn to control them. 2nd, they learn to control their emotions at some unknown time when the grow up. Tuvok was sent away in Voyager because he fell in love with a girl and got very emotional about it when he was a teenager. From what I could tell, these kids looked younger then Tuvok. So by ignoring the history (or future) of star trek, it's very easy for Nathan to create his own logic. As captain Janeway put it best: "Logic can be used to justify almost anything. That's it's power.... and it's flaw". Sorry Nathan, you're closer to the "flawed" side of logic. Here's a sad face for ya: :(

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    22. dix_Tracy Posted on May 14 '09 at 10:02 PM

    Hey Nathan,



    I had a great time reading your post. Of course, I had a lot more fun making you look like an idiot. So without any further delay, let me present 'The 7 Biggest Claims by Nathan Which Portray Him as an Idiot" (yeah, lame... but I really wanted to emulate your title)



    7) How do the people on board the SS Kelvin have any familiarity with Romulans?

    I need to watch it again to see how the crew reacts to the Romulans. I honestly wasn't paying close enough attention (guilty). I would, however, speculate that even if humans have never encountered Romulans, the Vulcans are definitely familiar with them (since they are related). It is revealed in Enterprise that more and more Vulcan information is shared with humans from a wonderful "vulcan database". At this point in Star Trek history, I'm pretty confident that the Vulcans have shared their dirty little secrets about the Romulans. Hence forth, as soon as the Romulans hailed them, the computer would have immediately identified them. If we've got primitive facial recognition today, no doubt they'll have some pretty fancy stuff by this time. I don't think it's a long shot by any means to suggested that every computer screen on the ship was screaming "These are Romulans. Here is what the Vulcan database can tell us about them". You know how google can auto-suggest as you type? I'd imagine our computers of the future haven't abandon this ability. When used during combat, I'd imagine computers will probably be quite good at saying "here is you enemy... and here are some tactics in case you don't know what you're doing". Hence, the argument that they wouldn't be capable of identifying them as Romulans is quite speculative.

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    23. dth98270 Posted on May 14 '09 at 7:48 PM

    Nero is from the time of the Next Generation (9 years after the movie Nemesis). In the show the Next Generation old Spock is living on Romulus, trying to work towards unifying the Vulcan and Romulan races. Romulus is around for the Next Generation... Blowing up 9 years post-Nemesis.

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    24. NYBorn Posted on May 14 '09 at 4:02 PM

    Wow, you guys need to get laid. If you guys put your minds together, we might be able to resolve world hunger and the recession.

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    25. saint719 Posted on May 14 '09 at 3:47 PM

    Ok just to let you know the chances of kurk and spock meeting on that ice planet not high. but spock had not been hanging around for 25 years he just arrived in the future 25 years after nero because he went in the black hole seconds after. Go see the movie again you retard!

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    26. digitalwasteland Posted on May 14 '09 at 3:40 PM

    I really can't tell if the guy who wrote this article is stupid or joking... most of this was explained in the film.

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    27. autokad Posted on May 14 '09 at 3:39 PM

    apparently the writer of this article doesnt know much about physics. if the mass of the planet colapsed into a black hole, the gravity field of the planet (now a black hole) would not change, thus the moon would be unefected. if the moon colapsed into a black hole, we ourselves wouldnt notice a gravitational change, only darker nights

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    28. grandmatim Posted on May 14 '09 at 3:16 PM

    i have another possible loophole that bothered me with the movie and really my only thing the ones above except maybe the home planet defense one too but anyways here's my question



    in the original timeline scotty's equasion was made by scotty and when spock met scotty in the new timeline the equasion wasn't complete it was still just a work in progress and there for it was not yet scotty's equasion....my question is this if spock tells scotty what the equasion is can it still be called scotty's since in the new timeline he didn't create it instead spock told him how he would create it if the timeline didn't change?...does this make sense to anyone because it's been driving me crazy

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    29. aserpent Posted on May 14 '09 at 3:16 PM

    #2 - The event horizon of the Earth itself would be about half a centimeter and that of the sun would be about a mile and a half. There's no chance that the ice planet would be within the event horizon of the black hole, nor would the gravitational effects of a planet-born black hole be that much different than those of the planet itself. While the explosion might have an effect on the ice planet's orbit, the mere existence of a black hole rather than a planet would not.

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    30. borenbr Posted on May 14 '09 at 3:14 PM

    What you missed in the entire time line issue is what Old Spock explained when Old Spock appeared. When the original black hole destroyed Romulus and fractured the time line for the Romulan mining ship it created an alternate time line.

    None of this movie happened during any of the Star Trek you've watched before. Entirely different time line, freeing up the writers to do whatever they damn well please.

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    31. gravitysucks Posted on May 14 '09 at 3:10 PM

    #2 - Might want to check your laws of physics. Gravity is affected only by mass and distance. Thus, if a planet's entire mass was compressed into a single point (i.e. a black hole) it would have the same gravitational pull. Thus, there would be no affect on the ice-moon.

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    32. DinnySum Posted on May 14 '09 at 2:55 PM

    Wow, that movie was totally insane!

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    33. tedknuckles Posted on May 14 '09 at 2:31 PM

    I think the time travel aspect of the film was the PERFECT way to reboot the franchise. Doesn't tie us to any of the TV series whatsoever. They are free to do whatever they want. The only thing I really hope they do do is run afoul of Khan in this altered timeline. I doubt anyone can outdo Ricardo Montalban as Khan but then I thought the same about Nicholson's "Joker" ... I was very wrong.

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    34. nathanbloch Posted on May 14 '09 at 1:44 PM

    #4-I think you are misunderstanding the general premise of the movie. The whole Next Generation series takes place before the events of this movie... After Nero disrupts the timeline this sets into action a whole new timeline -- one we have yet to see -- wherein there is no Romulus. Sadly for Next Gen fans -- the events of every episode of that series may never happen... it's even possible that the crew the Next Gen crew never assembles in this new timeline... this is actually the #1 Trekker complaint about the corrupted timeline tact taken by JJ's team.

    As I said in my article, the Romulans have their planet blown up in the ORIGINAL time line, thus they should not be around for The Next Generation. The new time line does not begin until after that event.

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    35. factchecker Posted on May 14 '09 at 1:22 PM

    #3 - Again, while it is not clear in the movie -- presumably they do have defenses and they have been disabled. If you will recall, Nero tortures Captain Pike in order to get information about Earth's defense systems. It is safe to assume from the context that Nero did the same vis-a-vis Vulcan's defense grid.



    #2-The laws of physics have never really been faithfully adhered to in Trek, so it's not fair to pick on the movie. Why do we always hear explosions in space when there is no sound in a vacuum? How do they create artifical gravity so people don't float around the ship? And the list goes on and on....



    #1 - I'm no geologist or physicist, but what I took away from the film was that the red matter had to be introduced into the core for it to really work. This doesn't make a lot of sense from a reality standpoint, but it's not totally out of left-field.

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    36. factchecker Posted on May 14 '09 at 1:14 PM

    #7 - Fair point.

    #6 - While it wasn't explored expositionally in the film, the writers (Orci and Kurtzman) have discussed in interviews that they were operating under the idea that the disrupted timeline would continually try to mend itself -- thus making coincidences like this somewhat less conincidental. Ultimately, the Universe will operate to return all these characters to their original destinys.

    #5 - Vulcan children are not born in full control of their emotions. In other words, the vulcan state of "pure logic/no emotion" is not a genetic trait, but something to be mastered through training and meditation. Accordingly, it is illogical for you to question the emotion exhibited by these children (sorry, couldn't help myself).

    #4-I think you are misunderstanding the general premise of the movie. The whole Next Generation series takes place before the events of this movie... After Nero disrupts the timeline this sets into action a whole new timeline -- one we have yet to see -- wherein there is no Romulus. Sadly for Next Gen fans -- the events of every episode of that series may never happen... it's even possible that the crew the Next Gen crew never assembles in this new timeline... this is actually the #1 Trekker complaint about the corrupted timeline tact taken by JJ's team.

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    37. bradiger Posted on May 14 '09 at 1:10 PM

    spock making out with chix is really weird.

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    38. dayeight Posted on May 14 '09 at 12:50 PM

    is red matter from any previous star trek stuff?

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    39. secretsaucetv Posted on May 14 '09 at 12:28 PM

    man these nerds need to calm down - just cause your perfect movie wasn't actually perfect doesn't mean its the end of the world

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    40. platchef Posted on May 14 '09 at 12:22 PM

    I am by no means a trekkie, so i cant go quoting episodes of the "Next Generation", but there are several flaws in your "loopholes".



    1). They never said spock was on the ce planet for 25 years, they did say that Nero waited 25 years for spock to show up in system, hence Kirk being around 25 years old when he and Spock meet.



    2). Dont you think that if Spock had the means to make a black hole and stop the exploding star from destroying the planet Romulus then with 129 years of warning and the whole federation knowing that this was gonna happen they would prevent it?



    Those 2 being said I think everything else was spot on.

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    41. secretsaucetv Posted on May 14 '09 at 12:04 PM

    Amen to all seven - all these whiny bastards above need to chill... just cause the movie had loopholes doesn't mean it wasn't a good movie... NERDS :-P

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    42. ixplodestuf Posted on May 14 '09 at 12:03 PM

    Jesus Christ, can't anyone on the internet just enjoy a fucking movie? I was expecting some really shameful holes, but this is just nitpicking.

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    43. donkay6646 Posted on May 14 '09 at 10:49 AM

    Most of these I agree with, although I still think it's a great movie, but number 6 is wrong. Spock didn't spend 25 years on the ice planet, he came through the worm hole two seconds after Nero, which translated to 25 years after Nero came to the past. So Nero had to wait for Spock, they didn't go through at the same time

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    44. zubaz Posted on May 14 '09 at 10:29 AM

    Also, for #2, please read up on naked singularities. There's not just one type of black hole.

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    45. zubaz Posted on May 14 '09 at 10:26 AM

    >>If this is the case, then why has he been kicking it on Planet Ice Cube for 25 years when he could¿ve beamed aboard some Federation vehicle passing by (the planet is in Federation space) and gotten busy saving his home planet?!

    He wasn't there for 25 years, Vulcan JUST blew up.

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    46. chaosian Posted on May 14 '09 at 10:15 AM

    Spock is very much alive in The Next Generation, go back and watch the two-part Reunification. If the author new anything about Trek he would now Vulcans have a lifespan of about 225 years. There was one ridiculous thing about the movie that got me, what sane military organization would give someone who hasn't even graduated from the academy the captaincy of its flagship.

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    47. yaldasharif Posted on May 14 '09 at 9:36 AM

    I am going to pretend like I never read this article so when I go back to see it on an IMAX screen I don't cry.



    But I completely agree, especially about the drill. I thought about that as I was watching. Why would you need to beam someone down to the drill to stop it? I enjoyed the fight scene that ensued, but yeah, can't they just use one of the weapons on pretty much any craft to destroy it?

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    48. bruce.edwards Posted on May 14 '09 at 8:37 AM

    Also--how could Spock and Nero have survived traveling through the black hole in the first place in order to go back in time?

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