The Aftermath: Exclusive Round Table Discussion for the Fans!

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  1. killerworrier Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 2:08 PM

  ya number 1!!!!!!!!!!! i love this show

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  2. Hrogoff Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 3:03 PM

  That's really cool that they are doing this and I'm looking foward to it. I think a lot of fans have brought up really good points that need to be considered.
  
  
  
  All I really want to know is if they think they downplayed the use of a shield.

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  3. bradw78 Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 5:20 PM

  i don't get it. how do i submit a question???

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  4. Effingham Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 6:14 PM

  My specialty is medieval Japanese military. I would *love* to talk to these "experts."

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  5. Norse231 Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 6:34 PM

  It's about time, how to pose questions to these so called experts??

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  6. Hrogoff Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 7:18 PM

  Well, they say they've been reading the viewers comments here on the site. Since there doesn't seem to be a submission section, I'm guessing you should post any questions you have here.

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  7. paranoidmarv Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 8:01 PM

  Gladiator vs Apache was entirely one sided. Of course glad loses, their weapons are made to be vicious but something that can be defended against. No one wants to see a fight end within the first few seconds. An apache warrior is a killer. They have no intention of prolonging the fight even a little bit. I only say this because the glad came off as sort of a skill-less brute, but I've never met a gladiator. I think they could have chosen a more probable (probable being relative, of course they'd never actually battle) for both opponents.

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  8. LawL_LawL Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 8:03 PM

  Ummmm, LOL? I just saw the ad for the next episode, ''Pirate VS Knight'', isnt that a bit outrageously outclassing for the knight? I mean really, if somehow a guy in a big suit of armour and carrying heavy cumbersome weapons beats a guy with a bunch of small blackpowder weapons and a funny hat, I'm going to laugh. Because physically and logically, ''Shoot the bastard'' should come into mind, unless this is some savage drunk swashbuckler with a brain the size of, well, nothing.
  
  
  
  Oh, enough criticism, could you have a spin-off episode, ''Deadliest Unit " :P like a military unit renowned for its efficiency in combat, VS another unit, preferrably similar age or equipment. Heh, im watching the ad for pirate VS knight, the knight guy braggs about ''superior'' close range weapons, what about a brace of flintlock pistols?
  
  
  
  Anyways, this show, regardless of inevitable faults and minor issues, is great, shows a bunch of fancy killing tools and moves, and you get entertained by the trash talk.

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  9. paranoidmarv Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 8:05 PM

  probable opponent*

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  10. gordie187 Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 8:07 PM

  the battle between the spartan and the ninja was bull shit. In the simulation that was shown the ninja had always come out of hiding and faced the spartan head on.....ninja's are shadow warriors so of course the spartan would beat the ninja in a head on battle, but there is no way a spartan could have defeated a ninja in a forest there are too many places for the ninja to hide where the spartan could not get to or see. The blow dart from the ninja would hit the spartan in the back of the head or any other fleshy part where the shield could not block, so the winner of that battle is un decided because spike screwed up and didnt take in all the possibilities and facts about the ninja's way of fighting

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  11. Thunderbane Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 8:09 PM

  this show is fake the ninja should have kicked the Spartans ass hands down the ninja didn't killed him when he had the chance

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  12. gloinn77 Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 8:09 PM

  I think the way to up the equality between warriors is match warrior types, such as speed vs speed and strength vs strength. Like put Ninja against Apache and Spartan vs Viking. Maybe the could be for next season. Also a question I have is how do you classify the Viking or Spartan shield (more Viking than Spartan) and Ninja black eggs as weapons by themselves? They are meant to be paired with other weapons such as swords or spears.

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  13. gloinn77 Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 8:11 PM

  Another Question is If you read the bio for the Viking it stated they used "Bow with flaming arrows" now why were those not used in the show but used on the website?

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  14. logic11 Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 8:12 PM

  Seems to me that this whole show is based on gear. I saw the ninja vs. spartan a few minutes ago, and while I agree with the gear assessment, the actual fight simulation was pretty sad. There was no real hint of ninjitsu at all in the whole thing, no taking into account the primary fighting method of each party. Basically the show is a gear showdown, with no consideration give to different tactics and non-weapon related skill sets. A ninja simply does not show his presence to his opponent while readying darts... he would be halfway up a tree. I believe that given each warrior in that episode would prevail in their chosen environs. Spartans are without question better in a stand up fight, but a ninja won't ever fight that fight. I saw the same issue with samurai vs. viking and apache vs. gladiator.
  For some specifics on the ninja... no use of Jitte, Kama, Caltrops, itching powder, hamstring blows, ninjitsu, bo staff, almost any of the tactics that would give them the edge.

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  15. punitor Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 8:26 PM

  I really like the show but a spartan against a ninja? A ninja isn't a warrior they are assassins; just like the ninja demonstrator stated after the figures came back and they were the losers "we would just come back and kill them in their sleep". Warriors don't kill someone in their sleep they fight them outright (face to face). The Samauri was a excellent example of a Japanese warrior who challenged and faced his opponent; they didn't sneak around and kill people. Stay on point and compare warrior to warrior for future reference, please!

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  16. badfish_40oz Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 9:00 PM

  I'm no expert, but the only argument I bring up is about the ninja and apache indian fights...both of these are known for being very stealth like and specialize in guerilla warfare. I think this alone would make sure they won against opponents like the gladiator and spartan. They would not fight a fair fight. They would not attack when you can see them or expect them. These kind of warriors would have a "plan" going into a fight. If you were their enemy you would probably never see or hear them...
  
  I think they should switch these opponents around, the gladiator vs spartan or viking, etc... and the ninja vs indian or something of that nature, just to see what would happen there. maybe not make a whole other episode about it, but maybe an online simulation??

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  17. Akuma2120 Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 9:21 PM

  Spartan won, I figured so, I mean, a ninja can only carry so many weapons at once, he can't carry all. And the Spartans armor was pretty much impenetrable while the ninja had none, not hard to figure who would win. Also, by the way to all you complaining about the simulation fight, like I found out, it's just a representation of what the numbers show, not what would actually happen, but according to the numbers Spartan wins.
  
  
  
  I buy it, and now that I think back to the other fights, they were pretty much right too. All you naysayers can disagree all day, but until you get a group of scientists, warrior descendants and lots of equiptment and gear and test out yourselves with different results, this is the best thing possible.
  
  
  
  Can't wait for next weeks matchup, the Knight vs Pirate, damn imagine Knight vs Spartan I hipe they do that one, that'll be tough. Now you have to figure, guns back then sucked, their aim was laughable and not nearly as powerful as today's guns so the knight might have a chance.
  
  
  
  AAHHH! SPARTA!!! lol

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  18. Grzywo Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 9:28 PM

  awesome now they can explain how the fuck a musclebound samurai would even exist back in the 15th century japan and why didnt the actual descendant of a samurai family actually hit for the favor of samurai and they can also explain how it was soo close even with those unfair advantages by the samurai....we all know a viking would kill a samurai tell me when did samurais carry more than one or two weapons tell me how a samuari (according to the show) hits harder and with more force than a viking, fuck me they got alot to answer on that episode, as far as spartan vs ninja SPARTAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  19. I_Shed_Red Posted on Apr 21 '09 at 10:02 PM

  Well-rounded Analysis:
  
  
  
  As an aspiring video game programmer, I think the show can be enhanced with multiple scenarios with each Warrior. The show tends to be a little repetitive with smack-talk and weapon demonstrations. I'm not too keen with all the talking. I know it's entertainment, but some people can take this too seriously.
  
  
  
  I think there are guys out there like me, who would really like to see a full analysis of each battle. If more thorough research were done, then there could be much less trivial controversy. The idea of 1,000 scenarios is a good, but still does not fully incompass the fighting styles and strategies used by each side. I believe more tests should be conjured up.
  
  
  
  The 1,000 battles should be done twice. A one-on-one battle, one time in each warrior's environment.
  
  The next tests should be a 1,000 warriors on each side, and they play a capture the flag or stratigic points game that exists in most Online First Person Shooters. Each side of the map has their respective environments, and groups of warriors would fight using the tactics, weaponry, strategies, et cetera. Like Apaches fought in loose formations and carried ALL the weapons demonstrated, while the Samurai fought mostly as an individual, and usually only carried the Katana.
  
  
  
  Out of these three experiments we can make an analysis. We could have many more re-enactments, and the show wouldn't be so repetitive.
  
  
  
  I think the show is a great start to a new concept of entertainment, though. Kudos to the creator(s)

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  20. Silver82 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 12:03 AM

  I think the concept here is that these warriors were geared up for a serious fight... not just wandering out in the field picking flowers. Anyone who's expecting a fight would bring a bunch of weapons, if nothing else to have something to fall back on in the event one failed. It's just like today's military. You carry a side-arm, a rifle, often times a few grenades (sometimes of a few different types) and most carry a knife of some kind. So, the argument that a samurai wouldn't be carrying all the around makes kind of a mute point. And for the record, a samurai always carried three swords at a MINIMUM. One for main hand, one for off-hand (in the event that they wanted to dual-wield) and one for ritual suicide in the event of dishonor...

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  21. rofles Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 12:44 AM

  First off I find this show to be very funny and am especially looking forward to seeing a pirate shoot a knight. Getting serious though I have some doubts about the simulations.
  
  The samurai was listed as around 5 feet 4 inches and around 140 lbs and then the guy they have testing the weapons is at least 180 lbs and probably closer to 200 lbs. I mean why bother saying how much a samurai would weigh if you are going to completely ignore it when testing?
  
  Another important question is how far do the warriors start apart at the beginning of the battle? If the distance is more than 50 feet I don't see how the warrior with the bow and arrow could possibly lose.
  
  I find it very silly that they compare warriors from such drastically different times in history. Take for example the spartan vs the ninja. The ninja is at least 1500 years later than the spartan and has iron and steel at his disposal which are clearly superior to bronze. Just think how silly it would be for current armies to fight world war 2 armies or world war 2 armies to fight world war 1 armies. The battles should be limited to warriors within the same technological time frame.
  
  One closing thought is that I wish they would have the mongols on here because I would love to see them talk about how the mongols horse is a weapon lol.

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  22. Mooseman1 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 5:48 AM

  I personally LOVE the show. I disagree with Rofles - the whole POINT is that these are civilizations that would never have faced each other, but as long as we have the ability to compare them, why not have some fun with it? And to be fair, the bow WAS the deadliest weapon between the gladiator and the Appache.
  
  I do have to call shenanigans on a couple things, though. Chuck Liddel demonstrated that the gladiator's spiked glove could destroy the bones in a cow or pig's body, yet the simulation showed the Appache get up apparently unscathed after two solid blows from it. Then the Spartan was able to just shake off the ninja's black egg? Crushed glass into the eyes would get worse over time as you blink or rub at it, not better. There's no way the Spartan has that kind mobility and awareness after taking that stuff to the eyes. I think I agree with the decision that the Appache would beat the gladiator, but I think the ninja would have taken more than 35% of those battles.
  
  Regardless, it's a really cool show and I love the way they've done it. I agree though, that they might try different environments and different numbers of fighters (when did ONE Spartan ever fight like that? They'd need at least, say... 300?) to make the show more varied. Big props to Spike for this one, though!

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  23. mrcharlee Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 6:26 AM

  I dont know how they could believe that a Spartan could win. a ninja would use a crossbow to go straight through that bronze armor that he was wearing. chase a ninja in the woods? right . How about throwing spikes on the ground when the spartan walks. Ninjas knew hand to hand combat. They chose not to use it. They also carried Katana and Samurai swords. You tested your sword by slicing a pig in two, if not you went back and worked on it again. The color of the suit was wrong for the daytime, so many things needed to be addressed. Hopefully this aftermath show will tell some of the truth that needs to be told. Why not ask Stephen Hayes or someone with ninja knowledge, what Spartan are you going to ask? maybe a Myaan, or one of the Incas. They are dead for a reason. You have to change for the times, as the ninjas did, and are still doing. I study the arts, for years, and there are many ways and people that will hit through that little bit or armor. internal fighting is a very serious art to learn, and if you find one that knows it, they are very quiet, humble,and will end a fight quick and quiet, like a ninja.

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  24. OddViewpoint Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 7:03 AM

  I really think you guys got it right this week. There was more weapons and armor testing. I would like to see the weapons test involve more armor. This way we could see not only the damage done but where the damage could be done. ie...the ninja sword made a mess out of the ballistic dummy, but what would that same attack looked like on the dummy wearing armor.
  
  
  
  I also appreciate that the shield was really brought into play this time. There is still more that can be done with it but overall a nice job. I would love to see a little less trash talk and theatrics from the "experts".
  
  
  
  I know that the gentleman who is wiring up the accelerometers has worked as a paramedic but since there is a ER doctor there to give his opinion why isn't he being used? It seems a shame that the hosts are giving opinions about things that other hosts are better suited for. ie the doctor or the computer guy discussing tatics.
  
  
  
  I would like to hear a little more about the computer simulator. How is the data entered? is it actual figures of blunt force and thrust penetration? or are the numbers more arbitrary? How does the computer model handle tactics and fight skill or is that not included?
  
  
  
  Finally I would like to hear more about how the fights break down. How many times was each weapon the critical cause of death?

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  25. game2984 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 7:03 AM

  They should include unarmed fighting ability in the simulations as well... that would provide for more than just gear/wepaon tests... we'd be able to see ninjutsu/taijutsu and greco roman wrestling and the pure strength of the viking or pure agility of the Apache. It would a bit to the show I think. Plus there were so many more fighters they could have went with to keep it even like Mongols, Huns, Huskarls, Janissaries, Egyptian Mamelukes, Greek Hoplites, The Masai, well you get the idea. I think even matchups and non... weird matchups (like Mafia V. Yakuza) would be more interesting

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  26. Mooseman1 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 8:03 AM

  They do list, at the end, how many times each weapon from each warrior scored the killing blow. Exemplified by the ninja's black egg, which achieved no kills over 1,000 simulations - crushed glass in the eyes wouldn't cause death, but it's a nasty attack to set the Spartan up for a killing sword blow from behind.

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  27. Kwai-Chang1 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 8:59 AM

  I have to agree with Logic11 and other pro Ninjas. The Ninja would have struck from hiding and would have determined which weapons would be effective before attacking. The Ninja would use poison darts from the safety of the tree after the Spartan passed and was exposed, and after silently dropping to the ground behind the Spartan and sneaking up behind him he would never yell before striking. The Ninja was a silent assassin!

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  28. shin0bi272 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 9:04 AM

  You're right! The battle wouldnt have ever happened. Why? because the ninja would have been the spartan's waiter the night before and poisoned him. But barring that tactic, and taking the beginning of the battle as an accurate portrayal of a ninja nesting in a tree. The ninja would have waited for the spartan to walk by and used his shuriken or his blow gun (both poison tipped) to poison the spartan and end the battle in a minute or two. The spartan being the hulk of a man he is would last a little longer than the ninja expected and the spartan would have been able to spin around and stab the ninja with his spear and maybe hurt him as he jumped out of the way. So thats 2 ways the ninja would win. Heres another 2. a) wait for the spartan to stab at him with the spear and side step it (since its a 1 on1 battle and the spartan's tactics are meant for a large army not 1 guy in low light conditions) then stab him in the armpit and/or ribs with his ninja-to. b) remember when the ninja disappears into the tall grass and the spartan is looking around for him? Thats when the ninja would have used his blow gun not when the spartan was charging at him. More time to aim more time to ensure a hit.
  
  Ninja are assassins who's life depended on the ability to hide in plain sight or to fight in such light conditions that they could disappear by standing in the shadow of a tree or building. If it was daylight during the battle they would have looked like a peasant farmer not a dude wearing black pajamas.

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  29. mdkpacman Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 10:05 AM

  Viking vs Spartan, Apache vs Ninja, Knight vs Samurai those would of been a lot better match ups.
  Viking: Shield, Spear,Double-edged sword or axe , Longbow. Spartan: Shield, Javalin, Spear, Sword
  Apache: Bow, Tomahawk, Club, Knife Ninja: Sickle and Ball chain, Shurikens, Eggs, Sword
  Knight: Full-Plate+Lance+Horse, Flail, Shield, sword Samurai: Yumi+Horse+Bushido, Katana, Naginata, Kanabo
  
  I really think that would of been the best matchups. Spartans and Vikings both had shield wall formations in battle so that would be an interesting matchup. Apache vs Ninja would be interesting cause both were masters of close combat and stealth. Knight Vs Samurai would be really awesome cause Yumi+Bushido was a way to fight on horseback while shooting the bow but would it be effective enough against a armor plated horse person and a lance? I dunno those matchups would just give me chills.

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  30. AngelsWithGuns Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 10:41 AM

  I finsished the Ninja Vs. Spartan not too long ago. I agree with their final decision. If you step back in history I think its obvious. Spartans were born to fight, the ninja was a oppressed farmer who invented several "cheap" techniques to disable and execute targets. Ninja tactics are cheap and common poisons and suprise I think any moron could slip someone poison or get a jump on them. Television really pumps up the ninjas killing abilities. The fear the ninja's created through their "gorilla warfare" I believe was much more effective than their abilities themselves. There is documented truths that spartans killed a much greater ratio than their losses. The spartans have EARNED a LEGACY of greatness from their sacrafice for their land, the ninja is a over exaggerated LEGEND of a few UNARMORED men taking on many well trained armored warriors and comming out without a scratch. Even if a spartan dies in battle he has honor, if a ninja dies he has nothing.

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  31. Bogus41 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 10:41 AM

  Love this!! Nacho!

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  32. RexKwando1 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 11:04 AM

  I thought they didn't give enough credit to the Spartan javelin. The slo-mo showed the momentum pushing the small blade deep into the body. Just because a blade is three inches does not mean it only penetrates three inches. Only the rib cage will prevent deep penetration whereas almost every other part of the body with big arterial veins can be reached with a small blade and a lot of force behind it.
  
  
  
  The experts are too fixated on what will kill rapidly rather that what will incapacitate. If a soldier takes a non-lethal wound, he¿s pretty much worthless. Imagine trying to fight with an arrow sticking out of ANY part of your body.
  
  
  
  All the testing on helmets is overblown. Helmets were only meant for glancing blows. It has to be lights out for any sap absorbing a full-on blow to the head. Then what defense did you have laying on the ground in dreamland? There had to be some psychological benefit to wearing a bad-ass looking helmet, though.

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  33. Narner Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 11:05 AM

  I would like to know why the ninja fans down play the spartans agility and martial arts skill. Not only were spartans weapons experts but were experts in panckration NHB one on one ass kicking. In fact Alexander The great had had a couple of his solders square off one was armed with the traditional weapons the other was a pancration master and was armed with a stick and nothing and I think oil to make him slippery. the pankration guy won. As I said spartans were awsome solders but werealso more than dangerous in one on one fights

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  34. RadRad13 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 12:13 PM

  I'd like to see sPecial episodes of quick match-ups for previously reviewed Warriors.
  
  
  
  Like, a quick review of what, say, the Apache and sPartan's arsenals and effects were and just pit them against each other. A different match up between each commercial break.
  
  
  
  You can even have voters submit requests for the most wanted match ups.
  
  
  
  I guaruntee we'll get Ninja VS Pirate.

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  35. maxxyconan Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 1:19 PM

  Here is my input and i will be as unbiased as possible for either side. On a one on one battle, advantage would go to the spartan due to armor and such. However, in the case of anything goes, it would lean more toward ninjas. Ninjas would know not to take the better build opponent head on and thus would cheat any way possible. As many martial artists and myself believe, it is never the warrior type but the warrior himself.
  
  There are ideas of putting ninjitsu against pankration. Honestly it is hard to find a winner here without a rate of skill. The due supporting spartans was supporting the idea of how they were trained to ignore pain. Well, ninjitsu had nerve strikes that can shut down the body, so no amount of pain tolerance would really matter. Both utilize strikes, locks and grapples to a certian degree so both would depend of the fighters themselves.
  
  One beef i kind of had was with the samurai vs viking. why was the samurai spear not compared as a long range weapon along with the long ax? Really! They should have gone for sword for sword too against the viking's sword. Plus like in many shows like this, various people can give various results. It is only measureing that one fighter instead of a whole warrior class.
  
  All in all, it is entertaining to see the damage possiblities of these weapons and the simulation fights. However, neither side should ever take the results too personally because factors can be different and fighters won't always be matched fairly. Going back to Apache and gladiator, strength is useless if it can't hit anything. Why can't they pit speed vs speed and force vs force. I would love to see a viking against a gladiator. the ferosity would scare so many people.

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  36. Danoth Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 1:20 PM

  My biggest problem was with the spartan's armor being "impenetrable". The spartan armor has far more weak points than samurai armor would. It has absolutely no joint protection. And the argument that the black eggs would be shrugged off is ridiculous. Glass in your eyes would damage your eyes irreparably. There is no way he could recover enough to continue fighting. The argument that the ninja's weapons were for wearing opponents down it ridiculous. The ninjas had to silence their opponents instantly. They could not afford to let their opponents have enough time to raise an alarm. And finally on the samurai vs. Viking episode, katanas can stab through ring mail...

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  37. tiggermcd Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 1:59 PM

  I would like to see an all stars kind of battle maybe at the end of the first season, with the winners facing off, maybe tournament style, to see who is the best overall warrior.
  
  Also, i think that there should be a battle between Egyptian warriors and maybe some Native Americans, they had similar weapons but far different fighting styles. Any battle with an Egyptian would be something to see, I dont think its really been done before.
  
  I like the ideas of doing battles in different environments, especially with the pirate vs. knight battle coming up in a week, i don't want a fight on a ship or anything lame like that. but the idea of doing multiple and team based battles would probably take far to much time and money to do properly, and id rather not have to wait a month for a new battle.....
  
  Finally i would like to suggest the following warriors, Romans, Greeks, Teutons, Chinese, Mongols, Turks, and even African/ other tribal warrior clans.

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  38. LadyRaven9 Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 2:51 PM

  My biggest item about the show is:
  Did you see all the weapons the Ninja? Where do they place all those weapons and they do have to overlap? Think for a moment, the weapons could be considered scale mail armor in their own right. Then the leather underneath used as sheaths. The Ninja had to place them all in such a way to keep up the mobility and to not injure oneself. I heard they could have hundreds of light weight "steel" weapons. Brass verses steel, my guess the steel would win. So the Ninjas were armored as the show didn't depict. The bronze sword would probably only scratched, chipped, and/or possibly broke on the steal weapons. They should have tested the Spartan sword on the Ninja packed with all the weapons.

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  39. potato_skinns Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 4:48 PM

  you guys all need to chill out an stop getting so rattled about the outcomes of the show
  of course a ninja would kill a spartan given the proper circumstances, but dipshit think about it the show isn't about who can sneak attack better, its about a one on one battle the exact same argument can be made for the spartan if he had lost, spartans dont fight alone..ever, same was as a ninja rarely fights in the open, and the guy going on about probable match-ups? have you noticed that every matchup is general a polar opposite? thats the point, if your going to bitch thats fine but understand the premiss of the show before hand

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  40. donathos Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 4:52 PM

  I love this show so far: great job, all around!
  
  
  
  For Season 2, I think it would be great if the computer program could take into account more factors. The biggest one off the top of my head is armor.
  
  
  
  Armor's discussed in the episodes from time to time, but I'd like to see it analyzed more comprehensively, including being tested against the various weapons being demonstrated. I'd like to know that armor is an actual parameter being plugged into the computer's equations.

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  41. thatperson Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 5:00 PM

  the show is about who would win in a head to head battle a "fair" fight, obviously the spartan would win against the ninja because of his gigantic shield the ninja couldn't possibly got around that. what i don't like is how they keep picking complete opposites for these battles. I think that the fights would be much closer and more entertaining if they put two warriors with similar fighting styles. I think that the ninja should fought the Apache that would have been a much more interesting fight in my opinion.

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  42. DidYou.com Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 5:17 PM

  The Spartan (Jeremy Dunn) would have most likely killed the ninja had they fought in a fair fight, but in the real world the Ninja was fighting Spartan like warriors, except the Samurai and Ninja would have been an obvious and boring story (see Tom Cruise in the Last Samurai). I like the way they chose two opposites and made the comparison, bravo to the graphics and great actors.

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  43. synnworld Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 5:49 PM

  See whats not being tested are the key elements
  
  Insticts of what to do next
  
  
  
  planning and thinking ahead
  
  
  
  common sense.
  
  
  
  Really in the spartan vs ninja there was no of the three
  
  
  
  First lets start with instincts, where a battle begans the ninja is in a tree.Now insticts and common sense tells us we have 2 advantages, both the element of suprise and higher ground. From the tree alone a shuriken or blowdart to the back of the neck could have ended the fight quickly...now lets fast forward ahead
  
  
  
  The ninja throws the black eggs into the spartans eyes, 1. his partially immobilized dueto 0 visibility. And two he was set up for a perfect assassination. This is another place where all three key elements go in yet the ninja runs. Also brining up the fact that, all the glass and dirt in the spartan eyes should have also dimmed visibility for the rest of the match.
  
  
  
  
  
  Lastly the ninja jumped out of the bushes then used the blow darts and shuriken instead of stayed hidden. when they would have been more effective.
  
  
  
  Finishing not, the ninja used guerilla warfare which is much more effectivee because it contained the elementof suprised, prayed on the enemy weakness and really wasn't just run up and start stabbing and slashing.But guerilla warfare was never entered into the computer simulator as a factor which is why they lost

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  44. wachaninja Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 6:45 PM

  While the show seems valid in many ways, I question whether or not you could take evasiveness into account. I recall it being said that the warriors can't retreat, but what about dodge? Essentially all of the ninja's armor is, well, dodging and in a more practical case, not being seen. Simply dodging would definitely lower the accuracy of all spartan attacks and using superior speed and mobility, a ninja could probably position himself to execute killing blow (or at least a limb injury) let alone dodge spartan attacks.
  
  Stealth seems to be the ninja equivalent to the spartan's shield, it's one big defensive and offensive opportunity. I am aware you cannot test this reasonably, however I hope you talk about and consider it in the aftermath.
  
  I also wonder if there was actually a test regarding the weight end of the kasurigama on a naked jell torso. The effect would probably involve broken bones and bludgeoned skin. The reason I bring this up is because it's a great way to attack limbs. A swing from the side, chain goes around the shield, elbow takes a hard hit. Other direction, doesn't need to pass a shield, simply strikes the more offensive arm. Leg sweep, calves take a harsh blow. I'm not sure if you had considered those options.
  
  To end this comment I would say testing a ninja without stealth or evading and leaving a spartan with his shield (armor is of worthy mention too) does not spawn proper results. Had the spartan shed his shield and armor, he would have lost to an out in the open ninja. Given that the shield was a weapon, you could take away any one ninja weapon and the result would probably still be in the ninja's favor.
  
  Thank you for reading.

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  45. chi-hop Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 8:28 PM

  co-sign synnworld i think the ninja would have stayed hidden and with all the glass and poison in the black eggs how was the spartan stll able to see? i have to say no way nijas are too elusive they were basing the battle on basicallly toe to toe combat but that is not what the ninja is primarily about the element of suprise and deception comes first with the ninja. but i must say this is my NEW favorite show.

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  46. bluedruid Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 9:29 PM

  I have two questions about the upcoming Pirate Vs. Knight episode:
  
  1) How many guns are you going to allow the pirate?
  
  2) How many is he going to sneak in?

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  47. AngelsWithGuns Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 9:50 PM

  I can agree with the fact that if the ninja was never seen he would win (which is true with most every warrior), but alot of the ninjas tactics are made to be used while in cover, or to use to escape back into cover. This can be argued as an effective defense, but alot of factors fall upon the person themselves and not the weapons. It would seem like once a ninjas cover was blown and he's forced "toe-to-toe" which is his most fragile state, his weapon base proves he does not want to fight in that style, he would most likely be dead if his first escape techniques like "black eggs or caltrops" failed(or maybe a risky try for a nerve/limb blow, which I think is bad because if you try to "wound" an opponent when he's trying to "KILL" you then you may succeed but if his blow succeeds aswell then what you get is a hurt spartan and a dead ninja which is how i believe most the battle probably ended). The shield and spear was a amazing combination in battle, the spears added range compared to a sword and the shield was used to attack and put enemies back out of range with their sword and in range of the spartan spear. The ninja rarely (if he ever did) faced a shielded opponent, a shield is like shifting armor, and a ninja specialized in attacking ungarded areas, well if the guarded areas keeps changing then it adds more room for error for the ninja and increases his chances of failing. Thats why the killing blows for the shield put the spartan over the edge. Watch the attacks, the ninja attacks put alot of his speed and mobiliy into them(both of his defences would then only be offensive, but the spear can strike and leave the shield to still defend. The best offence is a good defence, sound familiar? The spartans armor/weapons makes him alot more balanced than the ninja. There was probably some ninja who was amazing and what they did, otherwise they wouldnt be so famous, and maybe those men were so lightning fast and stealthy that they killed dozens of men with ease, but

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  48. mutatontherocks Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 9:56 PM

  the ninja only got 35%?......if a whole army of spartans can't see because they got glass in their eyes then I think the ninja won.

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  49. AngelsWithGuns Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 10:04 PM

  those abilities are impossable to gauge. A spartan Warrior was chosen by their ability at age 8 and was trained to be a warrior from that day foward. The ninja could have been any farmer/worker who was oppressed by unrighteous japanese lords. So since any japanese could have been a ninja, and only a select few of Grecians could have been chosen (at age 8) and made spartans then Id have to give the Skill/Training edge to the spartan since he started at such a young age and was well trained. I think the show should add the fact of Skill/Training to the mix. Example: A samuri was much more trained and disciplined than a viking, and that's why he won IMHO. Anyways its awsome they got a show going through history and showing the lethal force of mideval weaponry on a "human body" so keep up the good work. Cant wait to see what a flails impact looks like... *insert evil laugh*

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  50. AngelsWithGuns Posted on Apr 22 '09 at 10:35 PM

  Next episode shouldn't be pirate Vs. knight it should be Pirate Vs. US navy. I personally give the navy sniper rifle the edga and think the battles go navy 1000 Pirates 0!

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