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Deadliest Warrior

Blood on the Sand: I.R.A. vs. Taliban

This. Is. It. At 9 PM tonight on Spike, Deadliest Warrior's final episode of the season airs, and we're getting our hands dirty when the IRA and Taliban go head to head in the ultimate showdown between modern terrorists.

Well gents, here we are. This is our final episode of the season, and it has been one hell of a ride. Geoff, Dr. D, and myself had no idea what we were signing up for when we started this gig, except that it was probably going to be pretty cool. After a lot of long hours on the range and in the lab, we had a feeling we were on to something, but your reactions have exceeded our wildest expectations.

On behalf of those two, as well as everyone involved in making the show, I just want to say thanks for making this such an incredible experience. Every comment has mattered to us. The positive feedback has been overwhelming, and we've taken your critical comments to heart: it's been an absolute thrill to keep the conversation going with The Aftermath (I'm sure Kieron would agree), and hopefully, we'll get to keep this discussion going in the future. Again, thank you all.

But on to tonight's episode.

This is about to get a bit ranty-and if you want to get to the point, I invite you to skip on towards the end.

Let me be frank: this was a hard episode to do. It's a hell of a matchup. We knew that from the first moment it was suggested that it was going to be hard as hell to do, but also, that we had to do it. We also knew that the distance of time and history usually give us a shield that protects us from offending anyone's sensibilities, but that in dealing with modern terrorists, we'd be stepping out from behind the shield of history. Because of that, we owe it to you to explain some of our reasoning behind this one, since it has already been suggested that we "could be seen as glorifying terrorism."

"Could be seen," by the by, is a hell of a way to couch the issue in a f#%*ing qualifier.

We decided to run IRA vs. Taliban as a matchup because we wanted to understand how terrorists function in combat. We live in an age where terrorism dominates the news-guerillas, asymmetric warfare, insurgents, sleeper-cells, terrorists, IEDs, hijackings, kidnappings, suicide bombings, ransoms, extremism-every day, we are confronted with a cocktail of these volatile terms. Perhaps these words were once used to inform, but now they've merged and bled into a constant drone of fear mongering.

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  • Hockey1414
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    1. Hockey1414 Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:14 PM

    alirght ill get this started, in the last episode u said a computer can never be byast and i talked to my dad and he said that it is ture but a computer can be a sort of byast by the info u put intot he computer u could of put more weighting on wallaces claymore and in the fight between the IRA vs the Taliban when the taliban was running away from the IRA he threw a landmine behind him, why didnt the Taliban die with the IRA and it was a landmine and it was near cars the parking lot should of been blown up why did u chose the parking lot as a battrle feild and not a samll town in Iraq

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    2. Couch_Potato Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:17 PM

    i think the show should have a tournament and decide who is the deadliest warrior of all.

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    3. R34PER Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:23 PM

    i love the show but in this episode why did you keep saying that the IRA's weapons were more for killing groups of people when the only one of them that i saw that actualy was for that was the nail bomb and it was only used against one person

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    4. zeevy2004 Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:30 PM

    1 question

    How would the IRA and the Taliban both define, 'defeat' and 'victory'?

    Because these are non conventional armies, would their difference in ideology hinder the west (UK and ISAF) in defeating these opponents?

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    5. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:34 PM

    The IRA didn't beat the UK, but the mujahadeen did oust the Soviets. I think the Soviets were a much tougher adversary. I also think a showdown between North Koreans and South Koreans would be very interesting.

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    6. Kahn_Iceay Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:35 PM

    First, Damn. That entire blog Max, was not what i expected. I truly expected some bouncy "i enjoyed blah blah blah". I did not expect this. This was serious, it meant something to you, I absolutely believe that this episode was important to you. And you're right, the Terrorists are winning. This nation lives in fear and ignorance and arrogance. We don't know exactly what we're fighting, some don't even know what we're fighting. We also don't know what its like to be over there. To live in that fear, that climate of terror. To some of us its just that colour, to others its just a prevailing prejudice, you say terrorist many think about someone with a Turban. I really thank you for sharing your thoughts in this Max, really.

    Secondly, my thoughts on the show. I thought this episode was good, one of the best, and pretty accurate. Though, my issues are 1. the Slingshot, the IRA had much better close range weapons than a Slingshot. and 2. the LPO-50 Flamethrower. You couldn't accurately test this weapon because you couldn't get your hands on it, and no two "comparable" weapons are the same. And the IRA rarely used Flamethrowers to my knowledge. They did have other heavy weapons including the RPG-7 themselves.

    as for any complaints about the combat at the end, its staged, choreographed, just designed to show the weapons, how they might have been used, and then show the winner. Its not realistically accurate. Its not expected to be, i admit i didn't know this when i saw Viking vs Samurai, but now i do.

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    7. limeyjohn Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:36 PM

    Your attempts to justify this show are pathetic.

    Trying to make out that you are a ''serious'' show is laughable.

    Fact...you DID glorify terrorists.

    Many victims familys are still going through the pain these two organisations have caused.

    Very, very poor taste, someone needs to be fired..and never work in TV again.

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    8. TheNewRidore Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:39 PM

    Alright to begin my name is pronounced Re-door now back to the episode. I was watching it and became more curious to know why you didn't take into full acount the Taliban's mine capibilty in a full mine field you tested a single mine and not a squad getting caught in the mine field. As for the IRA why didn't you test any of the bigger explosives they had access to. The Flame thrower was a very powerful weapon but due too the overall range of the RPG it would give very few chances to the flamethrower.



    I would also like to ask if you release a box set that you include in the bonus features for it all the tests you did not show in the episodes.

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    9. doresearchfirst Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:42 PM

    I enjoyed this match-up because it cuts into people's comfortable zone. If you look past that both use terrorism and do the match-up its quite well. I think the ending was right that IRA would defeat the Taliban. My question though is did you guys ever thought about a certain time frame. The reason is IRA go back to early 1900's and Taliban is more recent group. Also, what were some of the rejected weapon idea's for both IRA & Taliban? Thanks!

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    10. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:42 PM

    In the episode it looked like the Taliban came upon the salvage yard. How were they able to plant that mine so quickly when everybody was running around. Also, they spoke nothing about the IRA using a knife. If that was so, the Taliban could have used his bayonnet as a knife also.

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    11. commonnow Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:44 PM

    good stuff max. ill be making a donation next pacycheck ;]

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    12. Gear-Grinders Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:44 PM

    To be honest, I'm not surprised the IRA won. First, you must factor in that they fought a thirty year war and succeeded. These people were literally house warriors. When you're in danger, you fight, but when your lifestyle, your culture, your entire background is in danger, you fight with the ferocity of a god. Still, the Taliban have been fighting the American soldiers for quite some time now, and I believe that says something. In the end, it came down to the IRA's ability to succeed at killing in small, tactical groups, using efficient weaponry and fighting skills.

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    13. IHeartDeadliestWarriors Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:46 PM

    Losing a relative to 9/11 and the trauma of listening to my relatives (especially my Mom) weep themselves to sleep, this episode was especially thrilling to see the Taliban get whipped. Thank you, guys, for creating this highly entertaining series which kept me on the edge of my seat week after week. (And in constant trouble for cheering in the middle of the night.)

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    14. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:50 PM

    I guess the IRA would win if they were sober. You know the Taliban doesn't drink.

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    15. Psychofanatic Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:57 PM

    I've heard a lot of comments from people saying that your testing methods are horrible. Saying things that they are favorited towards certain weapons. "Oh, we'll have the RGD-5 blow up a washing machine and disrupt the blast, but we'll have the M67 blow up 2 dummies and a pig within a wall. Of course the M67 will be a bigger blast." Same thing with the IRA's nail bomb. "The nail bomb test was bull because of the moped." One, the nail bomb was a portable weapon that could be placed anywhere and had the remote detonation capability. The landmine had to be buried and didn't get the advantage of being next to a flammable substance. Two, I believe the tests are used to test the abilities of these weapons not on equal terms, but to each sides advantage. This weapon was used for buildings, we'll pit it against a building. However, the weapon it's going against was for people, so we use the gel torso or the pig.

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    16. Cronislee Posted on May 31 '09 at 8:58 PM

    I would like to say first off that I do not support the IRA. Having said that, I want to know, Max, how you set the computer up to take in the die hard mind sets of these two groups? The IRA are die hard rebels who will stop at nothing to achieve their goals, while the Taliban are Zealots and extremists who, quite frankly, hide like rats in their caves.



    If you take their individual drives into account, how do you incorportate that into the computer?

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    17. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:02 PM

    Seriously, I think a matchup between North and South Koreans would be interesting. I'm sure Kim Jong Il might actually watch the show. That might stir up things a little bit.

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    18. big_philly Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:04 PM

    i had a few problems with the testing in the case of fareness. when it came to the AK-47 and the AR15, they were not tested the same. When testing the AK-47 the guy was standing where with the AR15 the guy was firing from a resting position giving the AR15 a better chance at hitting smaller targets. When it came to the mud and water test the AR15 jammed and the AK-47 did not which in turn this should have go the advantage. In the test for explosives the Ira should have lost due to unfare testing, the nail bomb against the mine. When it comes to being the deadliest warrior the taliban should have one due to suicide bombing. in small groups it could have been a total landslide having one taliban member just blowing up all IRA. in the case of the battle when the IRA and the taliban went hand to hand the taliban member could have been strapped to explode and killing the final IRA fighter giving the taliban the win.

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    19. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:06 PM

    With that many cars involved, both groups should have died all together. Being terrorists, they know how to rig car bombs.

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    20. UnearthlySmity Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:12 PM

    Pefect season. 9-0!



    Unearthly time!!



    Before the show started, I couldn't really give either one the upper hand. Many people know of the Tailban, but what they know is just fake crap that everybody and their sister make up about them. The IRA is known but the comman American wouldn't know what the IRA was from the IRS. In the end, I gave this win to the IRA and came out on top...barely. That flamethrower really wouldn't have done much since it is open combat, not cave combat. I'm glad that the rifle that the IRA used (don't remember the name) and the nail bomb did some major damage.



    If anyone would like to tell me their records or just talk about any of the past episodes, msg me and I won't dissapoint on the knowledge end of the deal.



    End of season 1. Record 9-0. Perfect record.



    PEACE!

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    21. IHeartDeadliestWarriors Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:14 PM

    How realiable is the RPG under harsh conditions, anyway? Like rain, mud, sand storms, or simply overheating?

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    22. helix_fire Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:15 PM

    THE iRA AND THE TALIBAN EPISODE I DON'T GET, WHY WASN'T THE AR'S JAMMING TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT? ALSO THE WHEN IT COMES TO SQUAD BATTLES, WHILE I AGREE THAT THE IRA ARE SUPERIOR AT IT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WOULD EVEN ONE GUY MANAGED TO SURVIVE, THE FIGHT, THE TALIBAN FROM THE WHAT I HAVE HEARD AND SOME OF THE VIDEOS I'VE SEEN ON THE NET, THEY ALWAYS LEAVE A GUY BEHIND AS A SORT OF SNIPER-TYPE OF CHARACTER, AND THAT PERSON NEVER LEAVES THAT POSITION, UNLESS ITS TO RETREAT, HE SHE DOES NOT RUSH INTO BATTLE, UNLIKE WHAT THE BATTLE VIDEO SHOWED...COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE ANSWER THAT FOR ME?

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    23. mosinmatt Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:18 PM

    Wow. OK, now people. Get this through your thick skulls. The final battle they show is not the end all be all of the simulation. It is just for entertainment.
    The AR has a slight advantage due to better accuracy and ballistics. No warrior is going to keep his weapon covered in mud.
    The nailbomb can be used like a satchel charge, thrown and detonated quickly, while the mine is a one man target, with a threat to the planter.
    Also, I am mad that the IRA chose a slingshot. It only got 2 kills, yet it could probably only take out an eye with a direct hit. Dont bring a toy to a war.

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    24. JDub89 Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:20 PM

    Dear Aftermath crew,

    I am overjoyed that the IRA won (I am mostly Irish)! However, I have two things I thought were odd:



    1) What kind of a matchup was the slingshot v.s. the bayonet? I mean, even before you showed the actual test I knew the bayonet was going to win.



    2) I loved it when the IRA fighter trapped the Taliban fighter in the bus and blew him up. However, why didn't the Taliban fighter just escape the bus through the other door? I didn't see anyone close it.



    PS. Are you going to make another season?

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    25. nigthwolf Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:20 PM

    COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    26. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:26 PM

    Maybe a molotov cocktail would have been a better choice than a sling shot. You know the Irish have whiskey handy. The authorities would see the sling shot and be suspicious, but an Irishman with whiskey is normal.

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    27. daveben06 Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:28 PM

    Hey great, lets judge scumbag terrorists. Didnt the Brits, still and did fight for us. They are the only alies that help us. Great . Scumbags with bombs and we glorify them, cos of the cause. You are very brave for killing nurses and civvies. Hope you all rot in hell. Taliban and Irish scum. Glad you are having fun. Ask a widow of terrorism how it feels. Dont make much difference which side you on. Happy viewing, you brave warriors.

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    28. usmcmad Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:30 PM

    fuck the taliban!!!!! these show should of been the MARINES fighting the taliban! those pussys!

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    29. mosinmatt Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:33 PM

    The final battle got me thinking. Using explosives, is friendly fire factored into the simulation at all? The land mine could easily be triggered while planting, or by a friendly troop. The RPG, or nailbomb, with their wide range could easily involve an ally as well.

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    30. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:34 PM

    C'mon Iheartdeadliestwarriors, how is me talking about molotov cocktails racist? Don't u have a sense of humor? And its not racist, its stereotyping.

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    31. daveben06 Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:37 PM

    Agree with usncmad. Taliban and irish scum could not competer with good army. Hide behind your women and kids. USMC would kill you all if unleashed. Just like Brits. Worked with SAS for a while. Those boys would take Anyone out. Unleash the true warriors.

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    32. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:39 PM

    I don't hate the Irish, but I do love the whiskey.

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    33. mosinmatt Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:42 PM

    Anyone else think they faked the RPG test? To many camera cuts, and we never see it enter the shack.

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    34. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:42 PM

    Me talking about the Irish and whiskey is stereotyping. Me hating ragheads is racism. That is the difference Iheartdeadliestwarrior.

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    35. daveben06 Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:47 PM

    It seems you have to pick you cause these days. Oh well, as long as the Boys still get there money. I worked with the Brits. They were cool. Hated the irish. At least the ragheads would come out to fight eventually

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    36. IHeartDeadliestWarriors Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:48 PM

    Hahaha, wow, mosinmatt, I'm going to have to look that up. :D Thanks for the intell.

    So, I'm guessing that another problem with the RPG would be that someone would reload it when it was still hot. Could that result in an accidental firing?

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    37. Gunslinger45 Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:48 PM

    Glorify? I don't think so. You call them terrorists, WE KNOW what they are, we do not need to be reminded of what they are. We know that already.



    The episode was great and the only way the episode could have been any better is if the last IRA terrorist steps on a landmine and dies right after his victory.

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    38. usmcmad Posted on May 31 '09 at 9:53 PM

    that computer guy said they been holding the us military for some time!!!!!!!!!!!

    thats becouse those pussys never stand an fight. ambushing and ied's thats the only shit they could use.

    and whoo are those guys doing the taliban thing in these show that freedom guy looks like a taliban hom self!

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    39. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:00 PM

    mosinmatt, nice with the irish switchblade!!! The Irishman wouldn't want to waste the whiskey.

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    40. jaywill Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:06 PM

    I am not surprised that the IRA won. The AT-15 aka M-16 has a higher muzzle velocity and accuracy when compared to the AK-47. Despite the fact that the AK uses 7.62, the Taliban representative states in the show that it was used more as a spray weapon. The AK is devastating when it does hit, but accurately putting rounds gets more kills. Also, the RPG beat the flamethrower on the edge contest, but the flamethrower should have won. If you're doing squad on squad, the objective is to close the distance. Sure a 900m max range of the RPG is great, but effective range is more important. That flamethrower would cause serious problems, more so than RPG. Another misconception is that because the Taliban and America have been fighting for so long has something to do with the effectiveness of Taliban fighters. Let me be clear...the Taliban, while formidable survive only because they are able to flee into Pakistan and hide in the civilian populace which are both big no no's for coalition forces. IRA won because they are better at urban warfare which is what this contest came down to. Either way, disliked this episode and do not believe that terrorists should be considered "warriors". However, I can see how this makes for good TV.

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    41. Abbas_33 Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:10 PM

    It's sucks. The IRA and Taliban both prefer to use 'Kalshnikov'. Taliban use hand-made ED instead of anti-personel land mines! Shame on your so called 'experts'!

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    42. jkilton Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:11 PM

    the guy with the flamethrower should have just lit the whole place up. I'm sure the Taliban wouldn't have come running through napalm.

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    43. Butonz Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:26 PM

    I know the fight scene at the end is a dramatization but the friendly fire was a nice touch. Was that actually a factor in the simulation? When you're dealing with explosives, it almost has to be.

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    44. HammondEgger Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:33 PM

    Slingshot vs. Bayonet? WTF? Are you telling me the IRA didn't have some sort of bladed weapon that could have been used for comparison.
    And a flamethrower vs. an RPG? Flamethrowers are weapons used in extremely specific circumstances. You don't just walk around in the open fighting with a flamethrower. They aren't even used primarily to kill, they are used to flush out enemy combatants from concealment. This show gets less and less scientific every week.
    Also when they fired the rifles after mucking them up, the bolt wasn't moving when they were firing the weapon, ahem, I mean pretending to fire the weapons. This show is a really interesting fun concept but you are guys are ruining it more every week.

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    45. AngelOfDeath_117 Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:33 PM

    Hey, I just finished watching the season finale of Deadliest Warrior, IRA vs. The Taliban. But I don't get why you guys tested the LPO-50 flame thrower at 70 ft. It was stated that it could be effective to 200 ft. Why didn't you also test it at 200 ft. to see if it could still cause damage? Also where the weapon could be of use, such as the flamethrower could be used inside of a building while an rpg would be suicide for room clearing?

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    46. PutMeOnAftermath Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:34 PM

    I think you did not accurately take into account the effectiveness of the slingshot. If you are accurate with the slingshot, and hit someone square in the eye (like they did), then you effectively blind them. Not to mention, hitting someone in the head, especially in the temple, could be fatal or at least a knockout. The bayonet, which is only more effective at a closer range than the slingshot, would not be as effective as you are using modern weapons and very rarely come into close quarters combat. (Also, you can't really call the slingshot a close quarters weapon.)

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    47. airbor504 Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:42 PM

    I'm curious why there was a U.S. made AT-4 on the weapons table for the IRA, but it wasn't pitted against the RPG; it doesn't make sense to compare a flame thrower against the RPG which has a much greater range. Also, when I was in Afghanistan (U.S. Army,2004), in order to afix a bayonet to an AK-47 there was a cap that had to be unscrewed and put back, not just snapping it on the end of the weapon like our bayonet.

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    48. Azn_Thunder Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:45 PM

    DamN that was one hell of a show, and the past 9 episode was awesome. Are you guys going to make second season?? because I would be sure damn disappointed if there isn't.

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    49. Kahn_Iceay Posted on May 31 '09 at 10:58 PM

    I have to say this, while i don't agree with Terrorism, nor do I agree with how the IRA or Taliban acts, and fights. Both are warriors. Warrior is a Generic term: A person who is actively engaged in battle, conflict or warfare; a soldier or combatant. They may not be soldiers in the traditional sense, but they are combatants, they knew how to fight, they both do it well in their own ways. I don't like them, I don't agree with their actions, even if i Do somewhat understand why the IRA began, but they are warriors, even if you detest how they fight, or what they stand for, you cannot deny the fact that they are warriors.

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    50. Roseyred19 Posted on May 31 '09 at 11:00 PM

    Ok first and foremost its just a show, theyre just doing their jobs, so if it offends theres that little thing called an off button, enjoy. secondly great job on the comparison guys. I thought the bomb test was very even, although the Flamethrower vs. the RPG could have been a bit better done. I understand the availability issue for the flamethrower and all but i'm pretty sure the IRA have something else heavy up their sleeves that would have made more of an interesting matchup, so my question is; why the flame thrower?

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